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This would be true if AT&T actually, you know, worked in my area.
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This kills me.....all to familiar. Reliability>Speed any day of the week/month/year. Plus when LTE is more widely deployed, we can have both.
So, you're blaming the fact that you live in an area AT&T doesn't cover well, on AT&T. It's their fault you guys would consider AT&T knowing that? It makes as much sense as subscribing to Netflix for TV/Movie streaming and not having internet access.

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So, you're blaming the fact that you live in an area AT&T doesn't cover well, on AT&T. It's their fault you guys would consider AT&T knowing that? It makes as much sense as subscribing to Netflix for TV/Movie streaming and not having internet access.

Come up with arguments that are actually pertinent to the thread instead of sparking up little flames.
It is 100% pertinent. People don't make housing decisions based on mobile coverage, so yes, it is AT&Ts fault that they live in an area without AT&T coverage.

Posting the comparison of speeds (like the one floating around above) is totally worthless. That comparison is only applicable for someone standing in the exact same location as the tester. Great.
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So, you're blaming the fact that you live in an area AT&T doesn't cover well, on AT&T. It's their fault you guys would consider AT&T knowing that? It makes as much sense as subscribing to Netflix for TV/Movie streaming and not having internet access.
What? Obviously you don't know this, but I live in NYC - Manhattan specifically. Yes, I expect my service to work perfectly in the most major metro area in the United States. I pay for that and I should get it. It is entirely AT&T's fault that their tower network is so limited that they can't even provide 3G - now a fully mature tech - in Midtown manhattan. Hell, they tried to sell me a device that would improve my network coverage by plugging into an active internet connection. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/te...cell.html?_r=1 Why should I pay more for coverage I'm already paying for?

Either way I don't get your point. If you promote yourself as offering coverage in over 96% of America, I would expect your service to not only work, but work at or close to capacity at all times.
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post #34 of 59
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So, you're blaming the fact that you live in an area AT&T doesn't cover well, on AT&T. It's their fault you guys would consider AT&T knowing that? It makes as much sense as subscribing to Netflix for TV/Movie streaming and not having internet access.

Come up with arguments that are actually pertinent to the thread instead of sparking up little flames.
Your comment is irrelevant. When a company markets that they have a high speed data network, when they don't is just plain lying. As far as caring about customers, why would AT&T report record breaking profits and put up this kind of numbers as far as investing back into the network? Cause they don't care about the user experience.

Lets just let the numbers do the talking.

How much did AT&T invest back into their network?
$2 Billion

How much did VZW invest back into their network?
$8 Billion

Now that's putting up new cell sites, putting in more data infrastructures, as well as minimal downtime. Keep in mind, VZW is doing all this while deploying it's 4G LTE network. So while on VZW 3G (CDMA), the speeds are slower than that of AT&Ts HSPA+, but the service is more widely available. So with that said, yes I will trade speed for reliability any day.

Happy?
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It is 100% pertinent. People don't make housing decisions based on mobile coverage, so yes, it is AT&Ts fault that they live in an area without AT&T coverage.

Posting the comparison of speeds (like the one floating around above) is totally worthless. That comparison is only applicable for someone standing in the exact same location as the tester. Great.
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What? Obviously you don't know this, but I live in NYC - Manhattan specifically. Yes, I expect my service to work perfectly in the most major metro area in the United States. I pay for that and I should get it. It is entirely AT&T's fault that their tower network is so limited that they can't even provide 3G - now a fully mature tech - in Midtown manhattan. Hell, they tried to sell me a device that would improve my network coverage by plugging into an active internet connection. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/te...cell.html?_r=1 Why should I pay more for coverage I'm already paying for?

Either way I don't get your point. If you promote yourself as offering coverage in over 96% of America, I would expect your service to not only work, but work at or close to capacity at all times.
So you all just basically proved that you didn't do your research on the wireless companies before making a wireless provider decision.

If you move, and it's that much of a bother, then change your wireless provider. It's still not their fault. They put maps on their site of where their coverage is. Still not their fault. Blaming a company for not having 3G in your area because you think they should is a stupid assumption and just proves you're missing a critical aspect in logic and reasoning.

And they advertise their coverage in general in 96% of America. Not 3G. You still get Edge where you live, I bet, which is actually competitive with Verizon's 3G speeds. They're not lying when they talk about their coverage, but for you to just assume that they have 3G in that 96% because they say that, just further proves you didn't do research before choosing.

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Your comment is irrelevant. When a company markets that they have a high speed data network, when they don't is just plain lying. As far as caring about customers, why would AT&T report record breaking profits and put up this kind of numbers as far as investing back into the network? Cause they don't care about the user experience.

Lets just let the numbers do the talking.

How much did AT&T invest back into their network?
$2 Billion

How much did VZW invest back into their network?
$8 Billion

Now that's putting up new cell sites, putting in more data infrastructures, as well as minimal downtime. Keep in mind, VZW is doing all this while deploying it's 4G LTE network. So while on VZW 3G (CDMA), the speeds are slower than that of AT&Ts HSPA+, but the service is more widely available. So with that said, yes I will trade speed for readability any day.

Happy?
The first part of your posts states they're lying about having a high speed network and then in the end you say it's slower than Verizon's. Is that to say Verizon is lying when they claim that have a high speed network as well? You say they're not reliable, but for every person like you, there are 4 AT&T customers to refute that statement and say they have absolutely no problems with AT&T.
 
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With AT&T you're stuck with a 2GB cap, so even though you're getting 3Mbit you can only use it for 3 hours before you're out of bandwidth.

With Verizon, even at a max download rate of around 125 kb/s you can still pull over 300GB of data.

Both plans cost the same amount. 2GB vs 300GB. Would you like me to make a graph?
What are you talking about i tethered with att and used 5-6GB a month at full speed. ive switched to verizon and i couldnt be less happy with how pathetic the Internet is on my phone.
    
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So you all just basically proved that you didn't do your research on the wireless companies before making a wireless provider decision.

If you move, and it's that much of a bother, then change your wireless provider. It's still not their fault. They put maps on their site of where their coverage is. Still not their fault. Blaming a company for not having 3G in your area because you think they should is a stupid assumption and just proves you're missing a critical aspect in logic and reasoning.

And they advertise their coverage in general in 96% of America. Not 3G. You still get Edge where you live, I bet, which is actually competitive with Verizon's 3G speeds. They're not lying when they talk about their coverage, but for you to just assume that they have 3G in that 96% because they say that, just further proves you didn't do research before choosing.



The first part of your posts states they're lying about having a high speed network and then in the end you say it's slower than Verizon's. Is that to say Verizon is lying when they claim that have a high speed network as well? You say they're not reliable, but for every person like you, there are 4 AT&T customers to refute that statement and say they have absolutely no problems with AT&T.
ATT is lying about having a high speed 3G network in 96% of America, where I am at and the majority of the country is on the EDGE network, not 3G. Whereas VZW is 3G pretty much everywhere I go, including rural areas, something ATT can't say.

I am just saying that I would rather have reliability over speed any day. I think we are forgetting about actually being able to make a phone call in more places.
    
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ATT is lying about having a high speed 3G network in 96% of America, where I am at and the majority of the country is on the EDGE network, not 3G. Whereas VZW is 3G pretty much everywhere I go, including rural areas, something ATT can't say.

I am just saying that I would rather have reliability over speed any day. I think we are forgetting about actually being able to make a phone call in more places.
how about i live in a major market and lose signal with verizon constantly where i never lost it with att...
    
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ATT is lying about having a high speed 3G network in 96% of America, where I am at and the majority of the country is on the EDGE network, not 3G. Whereas VZW is 3G pretty much everywhere I go, including rural areas, something ATT can't say.

I am just saying that I would rather have reliability over speed any day. I think we are forgetting about actually being able to make a phone call in more places.
Again, they don't claim to have 3G in 96% of America. It's actually service in general/Edge. And again, dropped calls...I've had 1 within the 2 years I've been with AT&T.
 
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ATT is lying about having a high speed 3G network in 96% of America, where I am at and the majority of the country is on the EDGE network, not 3G. Whereas VZW is 3G pretty much everywhere I go, including rural areas, something ATT can't say.

I am just saying that I would rather have reliability over speed any day. I think we are forgetting about actually being able to make a phone call in more places.
You are a Verizon rep correct? I want to see proof At&t says that their 3G network covers 97 percent of the US, they never say that anywhere. Also to the people complaining about the 2GB data cap, check Engadgets article on verizon starting to throttle data, its not "unlimited". And even where I have EDGE it's fine for GPS and even web browsing, my VZW 3G is pretty pathetic in comparison, as the edge is comparable in tests I've ran. I'm also not bias to either as I have a motorola droid, as well as an iP4.
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