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Have you ever ventured into the idea that most malicious code for windows is considered User Error? I hate to throw a wrench in your philosophy but you apparently didn't read any of my post. Yeah the user error wasn't part of it, but I'm going to throw that at ya now too.

If you can prove me wrong I'd love to hear that, but as of everything I know about security that probably won't happen. Most malicious code uses human error to gain it's root privileges and then control the system. There are few viruses that are written that can demolish systems without user intervention.
That is pretty much what I said before. Hackers don't make virus' for linux because the users know what they are doing. So using stupidity doesn't work. Windows users that aren't computer people, which is a lot of them, will pretty much click yes on anything.
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Holy crap. Windows sucks.

This Saturday, I set up a dual boot.
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That is pretty much what I said before. Hackers don't make virus' for linux because the users know what they are doing. So using stupidity doesn't work. Windows users that aren't computer people, which is a lot of them, will pretty much click yes on anything.
Ops I hit the wrong quote buttons, damn multi-quote ideas. I should not do that. LOL
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No. World class, independant and goverment-funded white and black hat hackers have ALWAYS been going at *nix, and not just from a security standpoint. As it relates to security, decades of attempted/successful/unsuccessful penetrations and attempts have led to the rise of *nix as a (relatively) secure OS solution out of the box. But again, I understand where you are coming from and it is all good. I simply disagree based on evidence both circumstantial and fact-based.
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That's a standpoint I don't usually include, as the only real life application I see that for is server security.
Desktop/workstation/server, it does not matter as the comment also relates to man-in-the-middle attacks against *nix desktops and workstations whereby the compromising of the such boxes typically leads to authenticated access to internal servers. Regardless, I feel the standpoint is universal in nature as opposed to being desktop/workstation/server centric. BTW, welcome back, TFB ...
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You know why windows has virus' and security fixes all the time? Becuase it is the most popular OS, if linux became the most popular OS out there, it would start having virus issues to.
Kinda like mac, up until a few years ago they weren't nearly as popular as they are now, they have virus problems now. Not a ton, but some problems.
Linux by design is far more secure than Windows ever was, is or will be, no, Linux is not entirely hack proof, nothing is, but in terms of spyware, adware, etc, the only way to really get it in is being installed with another app people would want, via 3rd party security holes or via a PEBKAC error.

Although PEBKAC errors are less likely to happen on Linux as you have to think more when you install a program that isn't in an official repo (i.e. More likely to be adware, spyware, etc).
    
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Linux by design is far more secure than Windows ever was, is or will be, no, Linux is not entirely hack proof, nothing is, but in terms of spyware, adware, etc, the only way to really get it in is being installed with another app people would want, via 3rd party security holes or via a PEBKAC error.

Although PEBKAC errors are less likely to happen on Linux as you have to think more when you install a program that isn't in an official repo (i.e. More likely to be adware, spyware, etc).
this maybe true, but you still have to remember, when an OS become popular, it gets hit more by virus' and hacking.
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popularity is a factor in what people target... and so is user skill... linux having the edge on security by being slightly less popular and requiring more competent users...

BUT consider it this way... how many viruses are for windows? how many viruses are for mac? how many viruses are for linux? now compare that to their market share windows is just significantly easier to break and compromise

linux was designed from the ground up to be a multi user secure networking operating system... windows wasnt, it has been frankensteined to try and copy the abilities of what a linux/unix system can do with networking...

mac os has been getting more viruses lately... but even though their market share is growing quite a bit, the amount of viruses still is like 1/1000th of what windows gets, and the market share doesnt match that people are just targeting mac cause apple marketed their os arrogantly and so hackers decided to teach them a lesson... thats my opinion on mac viruses anyway


no system is secure, ever, the more you learn about security the more you see the world really is out to get you, but not all operating systems are created equal its like... a combination lock, vs a multi million dollar high tech dead bolt system... you can crack either one


EDIT: also more on topic with the actual thread, i like both linux and windows they both have their problems... honestly if i didnt game, id probably run linux exclusively, but the problem is that i game a lot lol windows isnt a HORRID operating system, but it does have some big security problems, linux is just awesome windows really only has gaming over linux...
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this maybe true, but you still have to remember, when an OS become popular, it gets hit more by virus' and hacking.
Yes, it does, but the amount of those that would be successful or do more than slightly damage a system are absolutely tiny on Linux whereas on Windows it's far easier to do significant damage.

For example, think of Windows as a small wooden shack that has been built into a fortress but being forced to retain a lot of the wooden shacks construction, whereas Linux was built as a fortress from the ground up, it may be possible to get through it and destroy it still, but it's a lot harder than the former wooden shack.
    
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Sorry, I was at work. Let me clear up some stuff.

I did dual boot a few years ago. When I first started with Ubuntu, I wasn't sure if I wanted to switch to Linux and I dual booted. One day things went crazy with Windows and I decided to back up and do a fresh install of both. Windows goes in. I was still a Linux n00b at the time so I installed that right away as a dual boot. Then I went back to Windows to patch everything. Oy vey. Updates wouldn't install but that didn't stop Windows from reminding me that these updates were needed. I realized that I spent most of my time in Linux and I went to running full on Linux.

So that was good for years until just recently where Arch just kept freezing on me. I just got fed up with it and bought a copy of Windows 7. First, there have been a few issues. A couple of restarts during the install. All sorts of weird issues with my wireless card. Really, if eth0 and eth1 aren't plugged in, then default to the wireless nic that is enabled. I installed Windows Live Essentials and cut it down to just messenger. I decided I didn't like it so I went to uninstall it. Uninstalling messenger requires a restart? Are you kidding me?

Once you've tasted freedom, it's really hard to go back.
    
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This could be OP? =)
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