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Well I just got my motherboard back from MSI repair, ends up they refused to repair it because one of the PCI-E card locks was broke (that's not even part of the MB, ***?), but anyways. While my motherboard was gone for a couple weeks I decided to venture into lapping, and well... I got so distracted between lapping and other stuff that had to be done that I forgot to order IC Diamond thermal paste. So just this morning my motherboard came in and I realized I forgot to buy any thermal paste and did some Googling seeing if anyone ever used a lapped CPU and heatsink without any thermal paste, after finding a video of someone that had I reluctantly put it all together and started it up immedietly going to the BIOS to check temps, in the BIOS the CPU was idling at 34C, idling in Windows 7 it's at 42C, and under stress testing it maxes at 63C.
Stress temps I'm not too happy with but now my idle temps are 10+C cooler, am going to redo lapping the heatsink since I sorta messed up then work on the heatsink clamp since it's putting little pressure onto the CPU and update the temps.
Edited by MikelKassner - 2/3/11 at 12:56pm
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Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
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Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
If you have a smooth enough finish between the heatsink and CPU plus good pressure between the two it is not needed. Thermal paste is to improve the thermal transfer of heat, why use it when your thermal transfer is fine across the entire CPU?
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If you have a smooth enough finish between the heatsink and CPU plus good pressure between the two it is not needed. Thermal paste is to improve the thermal transfer of heat, why use it when your thermal transfer is fine across the entire CPU?
Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
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Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
agreed even if you do everything right atlease have a little thermal paste
    
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Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
Closed minded much? Lol thermal paste isn't a necessity when done properly.
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Regardless of how perfect you lap a cpu and heatsink, it will always be cooler if you use some TIM and apply it correctly.
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Artic Silver 5, (I like to use a razor blade on lapped surfaces), you wont need much but even lapped the contact area between surfaces on the microscopic level are very ermm... mountainous. This thin layor will bring the 5% (very loose guestimate) or so material contact up a couple more percent over time. That said a better cooler will help some too and as that goes at load I myself @ 4.125@1.472v never breaks 42~43c at 23c oat on water, lapped w/ as5 TIM on the 965 be c3, idle... 29~30 in windows.

Its not the metal to metal that is the concern, its the grain to grain that is.
 
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Very true and have no doubt that temps would be lower with a TIM of some sort, I'm just saying that without any TIM the CPU still manages to stay within recommended temps, which when living in a world that not using any TIM on your CPU is like an act against god, it's interesting to see it be done and work perfectly fine. xD
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