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Umm no.. ALWAYS USE THERMAL PASTE!
Metal conducts heat better than paste.
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post #12 of 62
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Metal conducts heat better than paste.
There are still going to be microscopic areas that are not making contact which you would want TIM to fill.
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Originally Posted by MikelKassner View Post
Very true and have no doubt that temps would be lower with a TIM of some sort, I'm just saying that without any TIM the CPU still manages to stay within recommended temps, which when living in a world that not using any TIM on your CPU is like an act against god, it's interesting to see it be done and work perfectly fine. xD
This could possible be the longest sentence in the history of OCN.

Anyway no one said it was "act against god", but you do notice how no one is agreeing with you. The reason I'm so "close minded" is because you are dead wrong. You might as well be trying to convince us that we can all breath under water.

Even if its running within spec you should always use TIM. ALWAYS!

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Metal conducts heat better than paste.
Not when the metal isn't touching..
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If someone wants to air cool without paste thats fine... Its their cpu after all

Though for some silly reason I would still test with and without paste just to see.

I think anyone worried about temps should look into water cooling though before lapping their cpu.
    
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post #16 of 62
flat metal to flat metal will conduct heat better than less flat metal with TIM.

The only point of TIM is to seal in the areas between the IHS and heatsink where there's nothing but emptiness. If there is no emptiness, the TIM will just ooze out the sides.


If you are going to use any for two lapped surfaces, it better be a microscopic dab using the tip of a toothpick.
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Pressure is often an overlooked component in this equation as well, good pressure between surfaces will help considerably, again, what does this achieve, making that mountain surface mesh into another mountainous surface. I myself have tinkered with some chroming processes to link brick to cpu, getting away from the surface to surface concept as much as possible.

Diamond TIMs are also interesting, in that...

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Metal conducts heat better than paste
That much is true, but diamond conducts heat better than metal...
Thermal conductivity
(W/m K)*
Diamond ... 1000
Silver 1.01 406.0
Copper 0.99 385.0
Gold ... 314
Brass ... 109.0
Alum 0.50 205.0
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post #18 of 62
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This could possible be the longest sentence in the history of OCN.

Anyway no one said it was "act against god", but you do notice how no one is agreeing with you. The reason I'm so "close minded" is because you are dead wrong. You might as well be trying to convince us that we can all breath under water.

Even if its running within spec you should always use TIM. ALWAYS!
I very much doubt this claim.

Though I dont support the idea of not using any kind of TIM, I do support the idea of doing something outside of commonplace. I hope to see some other crazy idea's from you in the future!

EDIT: Thats an excellent video you have there BTF
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flat metal to flat metal will conduct heat better than less flat metal with TIM.

The only point of TIM is to seal in the areas between the IHS and heatsink where there's nothing but emptiness. If there is no emptiness, the TIM will just ooze out the sides.


If you are going to use any for two lapped surfaces, it better be a microscopic dab using the tip of a toothpick.
It may look flat to the human eye but you can be guaranteed the two surfaces aren't going to be making complete 100% contact, hence the need for TIM.
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Those temps don't sound good to me 42C idle, and under stress testing it maxes at 63C. My CPU idle's at 23C (C&Q Enabled) and 37C under load at 3.6Ghz. Also did you Lap a AMD stock heatsink?
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