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Same zany place where potentially cool items from Intel went, like the 80686, 80786, 80886, etc., Core3Duo. (Or even the two-core Atom, long ago lost in the wilderness.)

And what ever happened to the i1, i2, i4, i6, and i8 and above?
Intel never planned on making the "i1, i2, i4, i6, and i8." It only had plans for an i9 (in addition to the i3, i5, and i7), but decided to categorize them as i7 Extreme Editions.
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Which is exactly why Intel will release cheaper models.
I think the cheaper models are LGA 1155...
Scroll down to desktop CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge


Extreme- 2011- Corei7 Extreme
Enthusiast- 2011- Corei7
Performance- 1155- Corei5/i7
Mainstream- 1155- Corei3
Entry Level- 1155- Pentium
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Originally Posted by djsi38t View Post
As if your x58 board before it wasn't.
I love it when people act like they know what they are talking about.

I never owned an X58 dude.
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Why do they keep mistyping it as Silver when its "Siler"? heres another source
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel...1-181945.shtml
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Yep , and Ivy is coming to 1155
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It sounds about right. Aren't they meant to be bringing out 6 - 8 core SB's for 1155? These would bridge the gap up to the extreme editions. Plus it does say they will release the xtremes on 2011 first meaning there will be lower models later.
They're gonna release those when they shrink to 22nm iirc.

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i also read somewhere that they were going to release ivy bridge on socket 1155, so that would mean 6 core cpu's, but not sandy bridge
Yes, they are, because (And I'm getting sick of saying this) Ivy Bridge is NOT the LGA2011 version of Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge is the 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge.

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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
When have they ever only released a thousand dollar CPU for its very own platform? Never. The article even says "initially."

Why is VR-Zone assuming this? What proof do they have? If you look at other platforms, Intel's unlocked processors aren't always been a thousand dollars: Core i5 655k, Core i7 875k, and i7 2600k. Since I cannot fathom a difference between an unlocked processors, and an extreme edition CPU, I don't see how it makes any sense to charge a grand for that silicon.
They have, actually, LGA2011 is a Server platform (Like I've been saying all along), just like how on Socket 771 (Skulltrail) and 1366 also being server mainly, well, I bet LGA1356 makes an appearance and that LGA2011 is for workstations and servers mostly, with a dual CPU enthusiast platform. (Note the codenames in that PDF file, Sandy Bridge-EX, Extreme maybe? EN stands for enthusiast and EP is what the Nehalem multi-CPU server boards were, Nehalem-EP)

While I wouldn't say its correct 100%, it definitely adds a bit of evidence supporting it.

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I remember1k AMD cpus
And you will see them again if bulldozer takes the performance crown. I kind of want it to happen. I'm so sick of seeing AMD fans brainwashed into thinking that they keep their prices low because they're your friend or something.
You know, the $1k CPUs weren't the only option? The performance CPUs went down in price further than Intels ever have. (i.e. You could get the same core at a lower clock speed and still OC it)

Yes, they were there but generally AMD has cheaper CPUs, you can't look at the one outlier.

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How would they know what the performance of Bulldozer is? It's also a bit extreme to imagine that AMD would find a way to get to Intel performance that fast, although to be fair they managed to do that with the AMD64 CPUs when they came out. At that point in time Intel was lazy and not on it's game, that has changed quite a bit.
To be honest, ever since the K6 up until Core 2, it was pretty close between AMD and Intel.

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Agree. People were saying crazy things like this about Sandy six months ago...how only $1K enthusiast chips would be available "initially", how there would be no overclocking at all, etc. Yeah...how did that turn out, rumor mill?
The actual articles were correct, saying that you couldn't FSB OC and that it was up to Intel to provide multiplier unlocked CPUs, it's just that about seven eighths of this forum read the title and maybe scan the quoted bit of an article and then start going off about it.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild View Post
AMD best bang-for-buck argument was pretty outdated when the i7 950s dropped to $300. But the argument completely died with the release of Sandy Bridge CPUs.

I know it's hard for AMD fans to get this, but right now, Intel has both the performance crown, as well as the best bang-for-buck crown. So there is no still involved, AMD lost that title a while ago.
1366 motherboards still cost a decent amount more than AMD boards, as does the extra stick of RAM for Tri-Channel.

And to get an OCable SB chip (I.e. Not one that will be beaten by an AMD), it costs a tad more than AMD total, SB is very good clock for clock but it won't beat an AMD at 4Ghz if it's stuck at 2.4Ghz, especially if the AMD has a highly overclocked NB and 6 cores, for comparison it's AU$500 for an 2500K and decent board and AU$376 for the board I have, the RAM I have and a 1050T.

SB has great bang for buck though and I'd have one now if it wasn't just out of my price range.

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Those ones aren't branded "Extreme"

And even for the older EEs it never made sense that they were a grand, they just did it because they could.
The only one that ever did was the first one, IMO, iirc it was the only dual core (With HT) at the time and it had L3 cache because it was just a Xeon with the Pentium name, the rest just have an unlocked multiplier.

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Originally Posted by SpeedNuggeT View Post
IS it because the Core i7 950 is FAST ENOUGH for everything at the moment?
If we're going that route, everyone with a single GPU should own a Phenom II quad and if you have multiple GPUs? Core i5 750.

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Yeah and I heard the first gen i5 socket could have been used with sb wayyy before it came out and look now...
"heard"
that is incorrect

because of the new turbo boost 2 that intel is using
the way the voltage is being delivered to the chip is different therefore they couldn't use the LGA 1156 socket

IIRC
I personally think it has something to do with the money Intel makes from people buying chipsets mostly.

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that is exactly why people would be better off choosing amd over intel. for example, intel is charging you a fortune over its 980X, for 3.33ghz and some memory. when you can have the 1090T or 1100T with the same or even more speed and less memory. and some people might not even use all the memory on both vendors.
The Thuban core is beaten in single threaded scenarios by Nehalem, for most people here Nehalem is faster.

Except, for most people here, they'd be fine with a LGA775 based Celeron Dual Core.

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Originally Posted by Behemoth777 View Post
My 2500k beats the crap out of a 1090t for gaming and costs about the same.

Every chip has its niche, current amd chips are only for people on a budget who value cores > speed of said cores. I used to be a big amd fan... Until I used this 2500k.
You have a single GPU, get a 1090T and overclock them both fairly (This includes the CPU/NB, Something only Anand has ever tested, sadly leading many people to assume Phenom II is slower than Nehalem or Sandy Bridge for gaming) and watch the difference between your 2500K and the 1090T! That's right, there is none, unless you got another GTX 580 or play SupCom or another CPU limited game.

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That's because multi GPU scaling and gaming performance of a 1090T is about the same as my 3 years old Q9550.
OC the CPU/NB of the 1090T, it will match the gaming performance of a Nehalem, although the multiGPU scaling is still lackluster. (Mainly on high-end GPUs)

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Originally Posted by EvanPitts View Post
Same zany place where potentially cool items from Intel went, like the 80686, 80786, 80886, etc., Core3Duo. (Or even the two-core Atom, long ago lost in the wilderness.)

And what ever happened to the i1, i2, i4, i6, and i8 and above?
You forgot the 80586, the 80686 is the Pentium Pro (Hence why the architecture is called i686), 80786 is Pentium II and 80886 is the second Pentium III (The first was just a Pentium II with SSE), it'd be Core 2 Tri, as the Core 2 Quad wasn't called the Core 4 Duo and there was a dual core Atom, the 330.

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Originally Posted by decimate View Post
Intel probably scrapped it. Doesn't make sense to have a high-end enthusiast platform with triple-channel memory when the same thing can be achieved on the server platform, but with quad-channel memory.
True, especially when the performance benefits of that server platform are nearly none for enthusiasts while the extra costs are high quite a bit, although I think 1356 was meant to be single CPU servers as well?

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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Its still there.



You should realize that we actually have the same amount of information about 2011 as we do about 1356.

All of the news sites are just circulating the same information. This article is a RUMOR. Nothing else. I think there was one article last year with an actual picture of the socket, and then everyone just jumped to the conclusion that it was the 1366 successor, and from there it spiraled out of control until rumor became accepted fact.

Its not. The successor to 1366 is Socket B2, which is 1356. 2011 is a socket designed for 2P-4P servers. We might see one Core i7 EE processor in the +$1000 range, similar to the Core 2 Q9775 for LGA 771, but thats about it.
THIS.

It's quite honestly more annoying than people who don't realize Ivy Bridge is the 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge and will probably include more cores at most.

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Originally Posted by L D4WG View Post
I think the cheaper models are LGA 1155...
Scroll down to desktop CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge


Extreme- 2011- Corei7 Extreme
Enthusiast- 2011- Corei7
Performance- 1155- Corei5/i7
Mainstream- 1155- Corei3
Entry Level- 1155- Pentium
1) That link says, on a different page, that Sandy Bridge-EN is on Socket 1356.
2) Wikipedia, really?
3) Enthusiast would be the cheaper models.

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Originally Posted by enri95 View Post
Yep , and Ivy is coming to 1155
It is, Ivy Bridge is the 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge, not an entirely new CPU or a 2011 exclusive, I have no idea where people got that idea from...It's always been known as that.
    
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You have a single GPU, get a 1090T and overclock them both fairly (This includes the CPU/NB, Something only Anand has ever tested, sadly leading many people to assume Phenom II is slower than Nehalem or Sandy Bridge for gaming) and watch the difference between your 2500K and the 1090T! That's right, there is none, unless you got another GTX 580 or play SupCom or another CPU limited game.
Dude, you act like I'm just talking out of my ass here. I had a phenom II, I overclocked it to the max, I oc'd the cpu-nb to the max, and for games that actually use the cpu, my frames doubled using this 2500k. There is just no comparison, i'm sorry. Plus, phenom II's bottleneck powerful multi-gpu setups, so i'm glad that now if I decide to go sli, I can without sacrificing power that I paid for.
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Brutuz, for the 400th time, please show us some proof an OC'd northbridge on the PhII will make up for the huge advantage the Nehalems have to begin with.

Yes. It's an improvement over the stock north bridge. I know that, we've all seen that. But it's not a match for Nehalem. Prove it.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.

Edit: this part "And to get an OCable SB chip (I.e. Not one that will be beaten by an AMD), it costs a tad more than AMD total, SB is very good clock for clock but it won't beat an AMD at 4Ghz if it's stuck at 2.4Ghz" was funny too..

The non-K models aren't clocked that low man, look at the i5 2400. 3.1ghz. And I'd be willing to wager it is considerably faster than an oc'd PhII quad.

Look at the regular i5 2500. 3.3ghz up to 3.7ghz turbo.. It *definitely* would kick the teeth out of the PhII quad at gaming.
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Dude, you act like I'm just talking out of my ass here. I had a phenom II, I overclocked it to the max, I oc'd the cpu-nb to the max, and for games that actually use the cpu, my frames doubled using this 2500k. There is just no comparison, i'm sorry. Plus, phenom II's bottleneck powerful multi-gpu setups, so i'm glad that now if I decide to go sli, I can without sacrificing power that I paid for.


I've seen 10, 20fps differences between a Phenom II with a stock CPU/NB and a Core i7 (Both at 4Ghz), but I've never seen anywhere or anyone (Other than one person who was using GTX 480 SLI and got a 2fps improvement from the second card on his awesome OCing Phenom II) get a massive increase in fps when going from a Core i7 to a Phenom II.

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Brutuz, for the 400th time, please show us some proof an OC'd northbridge on the PhII will make up for the huge advantage the Nehalems have to begin with.

Yes. It's an improvement over the stock north bridge. I know that, we've all seen that. But it's not a match for Nehalem. Prove it.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
I've provided proof nearly every time I've been asked, look at the massive game increases.
    
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I've seen 10, 20fps differences between a Phenom II with a stock CPU/NB and a Core i7 (Both at 4Ghz), but I've never seen anywhere or anyone (Other than one person who was using GTX 480 SLI and got a 2fps improvement from the second card on his awesome OCing Phenom II) get a massive increase in fps when going from a Core i7 to a Phenom II.



I've provided proof nearly every time I've been asked, look at the massive game increases.
Ugh.. "massive increases" does NOT MEAN "faster than Nehalem." What part of that don't you understand? This is why I asked for PROOF.

Edit: Hell, (for gaming) at stock my chip is considerably faster than a 3.5ghz PhII. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=186 When you consider I can get a 1.2-1.4ghz overclock on my chip, and the Phenom will have to settle with 3-500mhz plus a northbridge overclock.. you've got a LOT of catching up to do. Proof that it's as fast as Nehalem, or just give it a rest.
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