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To be honest, ever since the K6 up until Core 2, it was pretty close between AMD and Intel.
Exactly, and since, AMD has been 2 generations behind Intel. I mean, I sure hope they keep up, because Intel is going pretty fast, and if AMD falls anymore behind, they will have an incredibly hard time catching up.

Also, yes, I do remember the ol' times where AMD was actually competitive, and innovative. Instead of just reducing prices for its outdated equipment and hoping that its fanboys still buy its products under the claim of "best bang for the buck" and because AMD is the best and will save us from big bad Intel.

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1366 motherboards still cost a decent amount more than AMD boards, as does the extra stick of RAM for Tri-Channel.

And to get an OCable SB chip (I.e. Not one that will be beaten by an AMD), it costs a tad more than AMD total, SB is very good clock for clock but it won't beat an AMD at 4Ghz if it's stuck at 2.4Ghz, especially if the AMD has a highly overclocked NB and 6 cores, for comparison it's AU$500 for an 2500K and decent board and AU$376 for the board I have, the RAM I have and a 1050T.

SB has great bang for buck though and I'd have one now if it wasn't just out of my price range.
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Total: $440

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ASUS M4A89GTD ~ $150

Total: $400

Are you trying to tell me that the $40 less AMD set-up is even close to how good the Sandy Bridge setup is?

Just to make sure we're on the same page, the i5 2500k destroys the 1090t in pretty much every benchmark known to man.

The SB set-up is definitely and most clearly the best bang for the buck.
Edited by born2bwild - 2/4/11 at 5:52pm
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Ugh.. "massive increases" does NOT MEAN "faster than Nehalem." What part of that don't you understand? This is why I asked for PROOF.

Edit: Hell, (for gaming) at stock my chip is considerably faster than a 3.5ghz PhII. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=186 When you consider I can get a 1.2-1.4ghz overclock on my chip, and the Phenom will have to settle with 3-500mhz plus a northbridge overclock.. you've got a LOT of catching up to do. Proof that it's as fast as Nehalem, or just give it a rest.
3-500Mhz? What Phenom IIs have you seen? I've seen almost all recent ones get to 4Ghz, most very recent ones getting higher...Including one that is 24/7 stable at 4.5Ghz, hardly "500Mhz" and considering the massive increases in FPS, it should be very equal...Especially since nearly no games are CPU limited once you get past the GPU limitations.
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3-500Mhz? What Phenom IIs have you seen? I've seen almost all recent ones get to 4Ghz, most very recent ones getting higher...Including one that is 24/7 stable at 4.5Ghz, hardly "500Mhz" and considering the massive increases in FPS, it should be very equal...Especially since nearly no games are CPU limited once you get past the GPU limitations.
Yes... and 3-500mhz is the overclock you'd get out of a 970, which would add up to your 4ghz number, do you not agree? Last I checked 3.5ghz + 500mhz = 4ghz.

You're looking at a 15% overclock on the PhII, comparing it to the already-at-stock superior i5.. and the i5 is getting a *40%* overclock.. and you think it's going to be very equal?

Let's see. Faster, + 40% is = to slower + 15% ? Explain that please.

So you don't really have any proof, eh? Just assumptions?

Edit: what phenoms have I seen? Many, like your's and a lot of others here on the forums, my cousin's, and a friend of mine, and they ALL top out around 3.8-4.0ghz. Yes, a few gems are faster but that could be said the for Lynnfield as well.

Please. proof already, and stop trying to pick apart my statements. Ad hominem isn't winning the argument any quicker for you.
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I love Bulldozer, but Intel's new mainstreams will kill it. Then AMD will come out with something better, then Intel will come out with Rockwell, then etc....

I don't know what I'm going to do yet
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Exactly, and since, AMD has been 2 generations behind Intel. I mean, I sure hope they keep up, because Intel is going pretty fast, and if AMD falls anymore behind, they will have an incredibly hard time catching up.

Also, yes, I do remember the ol' times where AMD was actually competitive, and innovative. Instead of just reducing prices for its outdated equipment and hoping that its fanboys still buy its products under the claim of "best bang for the buck" and because AMD is the best and will save us from big bad Intel.



Intel setup:
i5 2500k ~ $230
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB ~ $50
Asus P8P67 ~ $160
Total: $440

AMD setup:
PII 1090t ~ $200
Kingston ValueRAM 4GB ~ $50
ASUS M4A89GTD ~ $150

Total: $400

Are you trying to tell me that the $40 less AMD set-up is even close to how good the Sandy Bridge setup is?

Just to make sure we're on the same page, the i5 2500k destroys the 1090t in pretty much every benchmark known to man.

The SB set-up is definitely and most clearly the best bang for the buck.
One of the points with AMD is that you can go cheaper than Intel and get a better bang for your buck -- and allow you to choose where your buck stops. You chose components that poorly reflect this fact. For example, let's say you only have $250 to spend -- AMD would be a far better choice. AMD processors easily provide a suitable amount of power for the lowest cost.
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This is extremely misleading! I hate VR-Zone.

I clicked expecting to see motherboards unveiled. All they have is pretty much useless information. The codenames. Really? REALLY???
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One of the points with AMD is that you can go cheaper than Intel and get a better bang for your buck -- and allow you to choose where your buck stops. You chose components that poorly reflect this fact. For example, let's say you only have $250 to spend -- AMD would be a far better choice. AMD processors easily provide a suitable amount of power for the lowest cost.
Yes, but AMD is only best bang for the buck in low performance systems... My point is this; Intel processors have overtaken AMD CPUs in offering better value for mid and high performance systems. Effectively making Intel the company offering the best bang for the buck processors.

The example I gave was only for a medium performance system, which is usually the more popular option. So, the point I was trying to get across was this; if anyone wanted a medium performance system, Intel would be the way to go, since it offered the best bang for the buck.
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Yes, but AMD is only best bang for the buck in low performance systems... My point is this; Intel processors have overtaken AMD CPUs in offering better value for mid and high performance systems. Effectively making Intel the company offering the best bang for the buck processors.

The example I gave was only for a medium performance system, which is usually the more popular option. So, the point I was trying to get across was this; if anyone wanted a medium performance system, Intel would be the way to go, since it offered the best bang for the buck.
That is true. However, I'm not sure if medium performance systems are the norm (though it is possible). If medium performance systems are the norm, then it just goes to further prove that consumers are ignorant to their processing power needs.
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OC the CPU/NB of the 1090T, it will match the gaming performance of a Nehalem, although the multiGPU scaling is still lackluster. (Mainly on high-end GPUs)
Well, I'm comparing GTX 470 SLI on PHII (Thuban and Deneb) vs my Yorkfield at 3.9-4GHz. Even though I have 800MHz DDR2, a PHII X6 platform is no upgrade for me while an i7 920 or i5 2500k gets more juice out of those 470s. The NBs were OC'ed to 2.9GHz in most cases along with a ~4GHz overclock.

This is my score:

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/2889108

And comparable PHII X6 1090T scores:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/4...nch800core.jpg

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/2809527

i7 2600k SB @ 3.5GHz:

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/2875507

Surely I wouldn't get an AM3 system right now. My 3 year old quad and 4 year old motherboard + RAM equal those in multi GPU performance.
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I am more interested in the woman talking.

just saying......
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