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1. linux supports hardware and software raid.
2. you wouldn't have to format, just resize the raid.
3. no you wont.
4. again no you wont.
5. one of the biggest selling points of win7 was it boots faster
Why reboot if I can already be in Windows though? That was the entire point. I refuse to dual boot, period. Plus in Linux I CANNOT use my Steam, Skype, or Xfire chat clients (not 100% sure on Skype). As such, I'd have no way to communicate with my online friends. So it would never get used.

Plus, yes I WOULD have to format my drive to setup a dual boot. There'd have to be space SOMEWHERE. Right now, there is no way I could do it, as I have my drives short stroked in 2 places. I'd have to completely reconfigure my RAID, which means....yes, I WOULD have to format my entire RAID0 array. Probably would have to lose the RAID entirely just to get Linux to work.

And again, I promise the wireless card will not work. It's a USB Netgear WNA1000. The thing doesn't even work correctly within Windows.
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Why reboot if I can already be in Windows though? That was the entire point. I refuse to dual boot, period. Plus in Linux I CANNOT use my Steam, Skype, or Xfire chat clients (not 100% sure on Skype). As such, I'd have no way to communicate with my online friends. So it would never get used.

Plus, yes I WOULD have to format my drive to setup a dual boot. There'd have to be space SOMEWHERE. Right now, there is no way I could do it, as I have my drives short stroked in 2 places. I'd have to completely reconfigure my RAID, which means....yes, I WOULD have to format my entire RAID0 array.

And again, I promise the wireless card will not work. It's a USB Netgear WNA1000. The thing doesn't even work correctly within Windows.
Honestly, are you kidding me? Here, I'll get you screenshots of steam. I'll even get you a screenshot of the new goldeneye mod that works under the source engine. HL2 works, CS:S works, Bioshock works, Many steam games work. Skype works, even has a native linux client, xifire should work (don't use). What on EARTH are you complaining about?

[off to get screenshots]

[edit] Got lazy, winehq has them already

http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots....ersionId=19444
http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots....71&iVersionId=
http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots....95&iVersionId=
http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots....95&iVersionId=

Crysis, my own machine, plus COD:BO (fully working)
http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/...added-cod.html
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Honestly, are you kidding me? Here, I'll get you screenshots of steam. I'll even get you a screenshot of the new goldeneye mod that works under the source engine. HL2 works, CS:S works, Bioshock works, Many steam games work. Skype works, even has a native linux client, xifire should work (don't use). What on EARTH are you complaining about?

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The fact that I stated originally that I REFUSE to dual boot, or wipe Windows. You are asking me to do both. Not going to happen.
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You don't have to wipe windows. I'm just saying you could avoid all of this, have both systems, and get what you want. Plus the fact that a VM cripples your linux experience, which will give you a biased opinion. That's all, I'm just correcting you when you say you can't do this, this, and then this. You can, you just don't want to do the work. I know you said you don't want to, that's fine, I never said you have to. I just ignored your statement and told you that whether or not you want to, you would have gotten everything running and learned linux by now.
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Why reboot if I can already be in Windows though? That was the entire point. I refuse to dual boot, period. Plus in Linux I CANNOT use my Steam, Skype, or Xfire chat clients (not 100% sure on Skype). As such, I'd have no way to communicate with my online friends. So it would never get used.
steam works in wine very well in fact, as steam is designed for the lowest common denominator for windows, so it works fine with wine, games on the other hand.

skype has a native linux client, for 32 bit, it also offers a 64 bit version, but your system must be multi-lib'ed to use it.

xfire, i'm not even sure what service or program that is, so i don't know if it works in wine or has a linux alternative, as for other chat and voip clients:

teamspeak3: offers a native linux client, and the windows client will run in wine (both are identical in look and functionality, so i would recommend linux native.)

ventrillo: mangler is the open source client, but the official client will run in wine without problem.

msn messenger: amsn is a open source project and works quite well.

yahoo/other: pidgin works with all other major chat programs.



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Plus, yes I WOULD have to format my drive to setup a dual boot. There'd have to be space SOMEWHERE. Right now, there is no way I could do it, as I have my drives short stroked in 2 places. I'd have to completely reconfigure my RAID, which means....yes, I WOULD have to format my entire RAID0 array. Probably would have to lose the RAID entirely just to get Linux to work.
hardware raid works fine in linux, software raid is a bit of trickery as there are several options you can use to accomplish the same. as for "short stroking" i've messed with from time to time, but noticed only about a 3% increase in drive performance, i would rather have the neede storage space than a 3% increase in performance, other's i've seen have been able to get increasingly performance than i was able, but they also sacrificed a large amount of storage space for it.

as for "resizing" a raid that is short stroked, i honestly couldn't be of help there as my expeirence with "raid" is limited, and even more so with "short stroking". i typically use lvm's and dynamic partitions over the insult and laughable exploit of "software" raid controllers that are built on 90% of the motherboards now days.


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And again, I promise the wireless card will not work. It's a USB Netgear WNA1000. The thing doesn't even work correctly within Windows.
your promises are meaningless with the power of google on my side.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=14

there were more post, and as i looked around this seems to be the way to about getting this particular device to work in linux. just cause a device doesn't work in windows, doesn't mean it will not work in linux.

the biggest difference between windows and linux in the area of drivers.

windows might support the most drivers for most hardware, but that is the problem, they get them in their binary format, and put them in windows, and offer them thru updates if need be. if that company went out of business, or stopped support for that device, there is no guarantee that the driver source is even around any longer, so there would be no way for windows to recompile the source against there new versions, or even alter it.

opensource and linux has this advantage as a lot of it drivers, once built, will always work, as most are available as source, and just need to be built against the systems kernel to work correctly, there are those rare cases where this isn't possible, and might need a reworking of the driver itself to accomplish this, but 99% of us will not go thru that extra step, and usually just go buy a new device that does the same thing.

i have saved plenty of "obsolete" hardware from the fires of a recycler or a dump, just cause they were no longer supported in windows, but still had years left in their support in linux.

on a side note, you got frustrated with the limitations of a virtual client, not that of linux, and even your own doing, with the raid/short stroke of the drives. i would like to go on record, that the failings in this thread are not of linux, but the chose environment to run linux in, and the limitations of the hardware of the user's system.
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on a side note, you got frustrated with the limitations of a virtual client, not that of linux, and even your own doing, with the raid/short stroke of the drives. i would like to go on record, that the failings in this thread are not of linux, but the chose environment to run linux in, and the limitations of the hardware of the user's system.
Wrong. I am frustrated because NOBODY appears to know how to read. I will not dual boot, nor will I wipe out Windows to install Linux.

I was asking for help, and all you guys can tell me is that I'm doing it wrong, and that I need to wipe windows and install Linux natively.

I asked for help to make it run, and work nicely in a VM (using VirtualBox). And EVERYBODY so far in this thread is telling me to wipe my 4TB worth of drives and go Linux natively. And I keep telling you guys that I REFUSE to do this.

If nobody is willing to help me with a very simple task of making it work a little better in a VM, so I can learn the basics, then the hell with it. It's not worth my time. I prefer Windows because it just works. Linux, does not work as easily, requires a bunch of tweaking. And I'd never get the driver for my wireless to work right anyway (I promise that). You may say its available....but I also don't know how to download and install it. And how WOULD I download and install it, without it working??

Again, I'm frustrated because nobody appears to know how to read anymore. It's not because one or two people suggested I format, its because you guys are all basically telling me that I have no other choice. And that is wrong. I can just say screw it, and use Windows like I have been.

I was just wanting to try something new. So excuse me.
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my first post in this thread was to give you the starting point to get the machine folder shares to auto mount at boot up on the vm, then how to install kde in ubuntu without having to install kubuntu, since the vbox tools do not appear to be installed by default in kubuntu like they are in ubuntu.

my next post after that was to point you in the right direction to select a new mirror cause the one you were using had crapped out.

linux is as difficult as you want it to be.

i do agree that a virtual machine is not the proper place to learn linux, as it doesn't give direct access to the hardware, and some of the "kooler" features of compiz/kwin are not accessible thru vbox.

there were questions you were asking that did not pertain to linux itself, but were to vbox, and that is not learning linux. mounting "shares" from vbox is similar to how linux will mount a HD and network drives, its not a complicated process, it just a pita process, and has no bearing in the real linux world.

i believe most here who were telling you to dual boot, was doing so to give you the full linux exp, you wouldn't go to disney land and be satisfied with only having the ticket stub would you? same concept when you run any linux in vbox, its only a shallow exp, not a true one.

i do believe everyone is capable of learning linux, one thing you realize real fast, especially about command line, they all use pretty much the same syntax, switches and programs, there is a reason for that, it is a standard.

same with the configuration files, might sound like a daunting task, but once you open a few dozen of them, and modify a half dozen, you will realize, they are all pretty much the same thing, and it can become second nature.

as for your problems, most of them were cause of the vbox, not the OS itself.

as for downloading and compiling the drivers for you wifi, that is a needed evil in the linux world, as drivers are built against the kernel, and the kernel is a fast paced, forever changing animal, unlike windows which can go thru several versions without ever upgrading the kernel, the windows 7 kernel is pretty much the same animal found in windows 2000, you go back 11 years in kernel development on linux, you would be hard pressed to find anything remotely the same,and their are good arguments on that as well.

i don't mind helping ppl who are in desperate need of help, but my help also comes with a price tag, i can either tell you how to do something, and you will not get the same learning exp as if you went out and discovered how to do it on your own, that is why at times, some of my help might seem "lacking" in specifics.

but to each his own.
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Well to be fair, a few of you were in fact being helpful.

Mounting the VM share is a Linux problem, not a VMBox problem. The only real "problem" that I'm having related to VMBox in this instance, is figuring out the proper directory of the share. Again, my XP VMBox works flawlessly (done exactly the same way).

I have Ubuntu working great, with 3D Acceleration. It is working without ANY issues at all, other than not being able to mount my VM Share. I can play games in it, I can browse on it, I can change the resolution to match either of my monitors.....it works great. Other than the fact that I have no access to my storage drive.

Other than that one small problem, I am enjoying my VM Ubuntu experience. There's a few other issues, such as my hotmail not connecting with the program for it. And my messenger isn't working either, which is weird.

I also successfully got the Guest Additions to work properly with Kubuntu myself. They're still not working flawlessly like Ubuntu is (I'm stuck at 1360x768 for some reason), but they work nontheless. Looks like I'm sticking with regular old Ubuntu for now.

Again, I'm here to learn this stuff...but yes, I do realize that the VM Box is going to hold the hardware back a little. That's fine with me. I'm not using Linux to game. That's what Windows is for.
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I'm going to say this once, just once, because you seriously have apparently not read any of my posts.

You do not have to wipe Windows to dual boot!

I swear you don't listen. Even though I told you that I ignored your post, I do acknowledge that you don't want to dual boot. I've shown this by not pestering you about it, but just saying ONCE that the best solution would be to dual boot, gave my reasons and let it be. Everything after that was merely because you were saying things that weren't true, just like this situation. I'm actually EXTREMELY appalled that a person with a status such as yours wouldn't have the knowledge or patience to shrink a drive WITHOUT removing the os. In fact you can do it inside the OS.

I just wanted to clarify this because NOBODY told you to wipe windows from the drive, at least I never saw it anywhere. You assumed that in order to re-arrage your crap you had to wipe the drive, as you've assumed that you can't get the wifi working. That's actually a VERY easy answer, use your windows install to download the required packages (it will end up being 5 max, maybe more) and then just mount the partitions in linux. I should hope you can infer the rest.

Seriously, I know you don't want to do it but when you post bull**** like "it can't be done" then people (scrubs) will come and read this from a high rep person and assume it's true. That type of **** pisses me off to no end, especially when you have the rep that says you should know better.

[edit] I keep clarifying because this is how FUD starts. People read a post, assume that it's hard because a high rep person can't do it (lazy) and then they make assumptions.
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alright i will do my best to help out in mounting the share:

open up terminal:

modprobe vboxfs

(if the module for the virtual filesystem isn't loaded, none of the follow commands will work, so the tools have to be installed )

mkdir ~/share

this command here will create a folder in your home folder called "share" this is where we will mount the share.

sudo mount -t vboxsf <use the name of the shared folder here> /home/username/share

i will do my best to explain the command:

sudo - gives temp root privilages to current user, the default first created user on a ubuntu machine has full root privilages using the sudo command, any other user created has to be added to the sudoer file (something i will not cover here ).

mount - this is a cli program that tells the OS you are wanting to make visible a drive, for use.

-t: this is a "switch" or "option" for the mount command, with the -t switch you are telling the mount program which filesystem to mount is as, in this case, it is the next input in the line.

vboxsf - this is the filesystem type which you will be mounting.

<use the name of the shared folder here> - this here, in vbox ask you when you put a share folder available to the guest OS, it ask you for a name, this is what you put here, linux is a bit archaic, it doesn't like spaces very well, so if the folder has spaces, you have to put a \\ after the first line in the space like:

Program\\ Files (example).

/home/username/share : since you are using the sudo command you can't use the tilde here to denote you want it to go to your home folder, since sudo will tell bash you are root, so it would mount it in /root/share, instead of your home folder, so it is vital you use the true path to where you want it mounted.

if the command is successful you should have it mounted in the ~/share folder in your home folder. if this works, i will then move on to tell you how to get it to automount using fstab.
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