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I need a server solution! Please help!

Recently, my office's server went down. It was a small business server 2000 machine. Yes, the software was outdated, and it had been installed incorrectly to begin with. Our Exchange server was writing to the 60gb C drive, filled with data, and somehow the system was corrupted (long story, short). It had been running for about 8-9 years.

So my business, which has dramatically downsized due to the economy, has no server at this moment. My company is hurting financially, and I need a solution. Our IT company fails to acknowledge the fact that we are hurting for money, and refuses to offer me some affordable solutions. I just got a quote back for a server and installation of about $8,000.00. I can't afford to buy the setup that I *want* and in the long run, will need. I do need something, temporarily, and my personal IT skills are very limited.

Here is my business: Landscape Architecture, Engineering, 3D design. We work in ACAD and Eaglepoint, mainly, but I also do a lot of 3D rendering. My old machine held either 250, or 500GB of raid1 data (not sure exactly), and 60 gb of Raid1 for the OS. It was an old xeon machine. Probably single core with HT. ...Maybe 2GB of ram. So, not the fastest machine. BUT, we have about 7 users VS the 16-20 that we used to have. I have a lot of data backed up. About a terabyte worth of drawings, renderings, and images. This is important data that I don't need to lose on accident, somehow.

What should I do?? Should I take my old machine (which has been backed up and wiped of data) and attempt to purchase and setup SBS 2003? I heard it is very comparable to SBS 2008. ...And I can pick it up for about $300. I just don't know if I am qualified to set it up. My IT company is trying to tell me that they would charge me thousands in labor, and that it would be a waste of time. I'm not sure how honest they are being with me, right now.

Are there affordable new solutions that I should look at? Should I skip buying a machine through my IT company, and get one straight from Dell, myself? If so, is there an affordable solution that isn't a waste of money? Should I skip SBS, and get windows server 2008 foundation? It doesn't have an exchange server, though.

What would you guys do?? I am between a rock and a hard place.
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I'm sorry to hear about your financial situation, you can pick up a much better server than your previous one for MUCH less than $8000. They are trying to take advantage of you. IMHO your best bet is to get a server on your own and pay another company to set it up, my company would probably charge about $500 for a full set up.

Is this server just for Data?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16859105604

just a suggestion.
Edited by saw4974 - 2/4/11 at 1:41pm
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You could probably run sbs2003 on an old workstation, but you'd really be better off trying to scrap together $1000 or so for a very basic server. Something like a dell T310 with 4GB, a perc6, a couple of 250gb drives in a raid 1 for os, apps & logs, and get a couple of 2TB drives (not necessarily from dell) in a raid 1 for data & exchange stores.

If you need to go even cheaper, get a T110, get a perc 5 on ebay and buy all the drives yourself. You could probably get it a couple hundred less. For all the work SBS does, it really helps performance to have a raid controller with cache & BBU.

If you are setting up sbs2003 new (not trying to restore the old domain & user accounts and migrate), then you might be able to pull it off. It walks you through most of it pretty well. You'll need to join all the workstations to the new domain, which means new user profiles that people will need to setup, but that's pretty trivial compared to the rest.
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I do feel your pain.

I think the first thing you need to do is work out what services your server need to provide to the 7 users. For example, Does it need to be a exchange server, or a file storage server.

Also, do you know what the data growth is like? e.g. 1Gb per day? 10GB per week. This info can help with working out the best way to use the store capacity that you and if you need to increase it.
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I'm sorry to hear about your financial situation, you can pick up a much better server than your previous one for MUCH less than $8000. They are trying to take advantage of you. IMHO your best bet is to get a server on your own and pay another company to set it up, my company would probably charge about $500 for a full set up.

Is this server just for Data?
it was his exchange server aswell, if i was the op i would drop your it company since there doing you no good and either get a machine by yourself but see if any company offers support for it and or set it up for you.
so give dell business center a call and see if they will do anything for you might be worth your time.
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Thanks for all the quick replies. I really appreciate it. Rep to all.

My company doesn't build data very quickly. I would say 200gb a year, at most. I usually have the biggest files, which are photoshop renderings and rendered 3D movies. Storage is the biggest concern. Exchange server is nice, but I suppose we could outsource our email, but I don't know how cost effective that would be in the long run.

Are server HDD's different from your standard HDD? Reliability and storage are my biggest concerns. I need centralized storage for ACAD drawings so that all users can access and edit a single drawing, ie construction plans.

Also, I am going to have to set up new users for the system, and there are only about 7 in all, so I would be starting fresh. Edit: One issue is that I have about a terabyte of info that I need to get back onto the server right off the bat.
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Wow; I'm really sorry to hear about your down turn. Small businesses are what makes our Nations great!

You can do a lot better than your quoted $8,000. Everyone is out to make a profit; some more than others. Picking up a pre-built SBS from Newegg or similar is a great idea; but be sure you have a warranty! Ordering a system from Dell or HP is another great idea. As for HDDs; they're pretty much all the same. Except an article posted by Google a while back stated they use Hitachi. As for storing your data safely; don't just consider a RAID 1 or 5 a backup. Since your data is your product; have a tape system or other removable system where an employee takes it home nightly. This ensures your data is stored off-site incase of any incidents in the work place.
    
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Go look around winding up sales from companies already gone under, or sales by those who have upgraded IT. Heck, even check fleabay. Plenty of older P3/P4 server kit on there for dirt cheap money. Alternatively you could build a decent server, it's not hard, the principle is: reliability over all.
Sure that $30 raid controller works, but a $150 one will do the job a lot better, and will be built for 24/7/365 use. Buy a big case, fill it with good quality fans, a top end power supply with a huge warranty (Corsair is pretty good for that). A stack of high quality hard drives, the world's most pitiful video card and a decent processor with great cooling at STOCK.
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Thanks for all the quick replies. I really appreciate it. Rep to all.

My company doesn't build data very quickly. I would say 200gb a year, at most. I usually have the biggest files, which are photoshop renderings and rendered 3D movies. Storage is the biggest concern. Exchange server is nice, but I suppose we could outsource our email, but I don't know how cost effective that would be in the long run.

Are server HDD's different from your standard HDD? Reliability and storage are my biggest concerns. I need centralized storage for ACAD drawings so that all users can access and edit a single drawing, ie construction plans.

Also, I am going to have to set up new users for the system, and there are only about 7 in all, so I would be starting fresh. Edit: One issue is that I have about a terabyte of info that I need to get back onto the server right off the bat.
Lower end servers still have regular sata drives (like the raid edition WD's), higher end machines use SAS. Since you are trying to do this cheap, you'll have to stick with sata, which is fine. I'm an IT consultant to firms like yours (architects, engineers and a couple general contractors), a couple of those firms have no problems with sata even with 30 or so people.

If you are starting fresh, with just 7 users, you could probably find an someone like me in your area to do all the sbs config for you for 400-500, it can be done in an afternoon. Obviously a bigger firm is going to charge more to cover their overhead. It could really be done remotely even, so you wouldn't necessarily have to find someone local.

Restoring your data shouldn't be any issue once it's done, assuming it's on an external drive or another pc.
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You could do google apps for email for under 50 a year per user. In house exchange is impossible to justify for small business anymore. Maintenance and remote access of archives and saved mail complicates it. Google apps has huge size limits 100% uptime and makes ur life easier.

And 1500-2000 would be enough to piece together a raid 6 file server with enough storage for the next 5-10 years at that rate. Once a month copy off onto a hard drive or two in a hotswap bay for offsite back ups.

As a sys engineer i can say business it support and products cost a fortune. it sucks for small businesses.

If your tech oriented enough id pick up a mid to high end areca or adaptec raid card and a backup battery for it. Grab 4 seagate es 2 tb drives and then u can even throw that on some p55 or x58 desktop set up and be able to run hyper v down the road if u pick up a spare nic or two. If mb cpu or ram fails throw it on another mb and ur fine.

If your more concerned about data integrity grab a supermicro server board some eccentric ram and a low end xeon.

You have options... but ur it company is gonna be pissed. Haaha
    
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