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Originally Posted by De-Zant View Post
Quit going around spreading that somewhat of a lie

I don't care that you can't see it. Plenty of people can't. But there's a huge difference when you can. If you play games like quake or unreal, you will not do very well with a 60hz monitor. +85hz is a REQUIREMENT for doing well in quake or unreal games. Technically you could do well with 60hz, but only amongst other noobs. In comp, you're screwed.

Heck, you can see it even when scrollling web pages. It makes a HUGE difference.


What kind of eyes don't see the difference?
It's hardly a lie, people are usually coming from old crappy monitors which is why they think it looks so much better. If you actually run a 120hz monitor at 60hz then 120hz you'll see that there's very little difference. And no there isn't a huge difference when scrolling through web pages
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post #32 of 49
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It's hardly a lie, people are usually coming from old crappy monitors which is why they think it looks so much better. If you actually run a 120hz monitor at 60hz then 120hz you'll see that there's very little difference. And no there isn't a huge difference when scrolling through web pages
Sigh..

What monitor did you use?

There are 2 options

Either your 120hz wasn't real 120hz, or it wasn't set at 120hz,

OR your eyes just can't see it.


I have a modern 1920x1080. I have used modern 1920x1080 120hzs... They are a dream. But not required.

Heck, even my old medium end CRT can beat my LCD at 120hz 1024x768.. If your eyes can't see it, they can't. That doesn't mean that nobody elses eyes would. Quit making assumptions on evidence gathered from your own experience. It doesn't matter if YOU can't see it. For something like the OCN user "i_hax" who plays competetive UT, 60hz is the worst thing in existance of monitors.
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120Hz HDTV's are not meant for gaming, due to input lag (from what I hear anyway). For a true 120Hz PC monitor, that's a different story.
 
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post #34 of 49
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I have to agree that there are plenty of TV's that look better than reality through our own eyes.
A quality HDTV is like adding MSG to food for flavoring. Without all of the terrible health side effects.
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I don't care that you can't see it. Plenty of people can't. But there's a huge difference when you can. If you play games like quake or unreal, you will not do very well with a 60hz monitor. +85hz is a REQUIREMENT for doing well in quake or unreal games. Technically you could do well with 60hz, but only amongst other noobs. In comp, you're screwed.
Try playing on a 120Hz CRT, like a GDM-FW900. Then you'll actually SEE how much of a joke 120Hz is on LCDs. No BS marketing, noone pulling specs out of their ass....the difference is like night and day. Not to mention the fact that you eliminate input lag too.

But I dunno, maybe I'm just part of a minority who can see it.
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post #36 of 49
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Everything looks real by looking fake?

Unless he meant to say it makes everything else look fake.
No, I'll explain myself.

Look at a TV series at 30 FPS. Now watch one natively filmed in 60 FPS. You'll see the 60 FPS one looking "fake": In reality, what happens is that it looks so real that you don't believe that you're seeing such images in a TV, therefore you feel liek they're unrealistic until you get used to them. Then 30 FPS ones look choppy

@Manyak: You're not the only one. If I focus my sight and concentrate, I can distinguish frames up to 92Hz.
   
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1. Human eye can discern up to 600Hz

2. The 120Hz TV's are fake, because they take the 60Hz HDMI input and use the image proccessor built inside the TV to insert extra 60 frames in by interpolating adjacent frames, so half of the frames you will actually see on your screen will be fake because they are produced by your TV as opposed to your graphics card.

That's why it makes the framerate smooth but you can't rely on it for gaming because,
it's fake, so when you aim at your enemy you won't see their true location at any given second.

That's why if you plan on gaming you should invest in a special 120Hz monitor, which displays the true frames rendered by your graphics card so you can take advantage of the faster response rate.
Edited by Heret|c - 2/6/11 at 7:31pm
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post #38 of 49
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Sigh..

What monitor did you use?

There are 2 options

Either your 120hz wasn't real 120hz, or it wasn't set at 120hz,

OR your eyes just can't see it.


I have a modern 1920x1080. I have used modern 1920x1080 120hzs... They are a dream. But not required.

Heck, even my old medium end CRT can beat my LCD at 120hz 1024x768.. If your eyes can't see it, they can't. That doesn't mean that nobody elses eyes would. Quit making assumptions on evidence gathered from your own experience. It doesn't matter if YOU can't see it. For something like the OCN user "i_hax" who plays competetive UT, 60hz is the worst thing in existance of monitors.
If you had looked at my signature you would have seen that I've got the Alienware OptX AW2310 monitor (a true 120hz PC monitor) which isn't the same as a TV. I've checked with other people as well and they seem to agree that it makes very little difference, maybe it is more noticeable in faster paced FPS games but it's really not as amazing as a lot of people are pretending.
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If you had looked at my signature you would have seen that I've got the Alienware OptX AW2310 monitor (a true 120hz PC monitor) which isn't the same as a TV. I've checked with other people as well and they seem to agree that it makes very little difference, maybe it is more noticeable in faster paced FPS games but it's really not as amazing as a lot of people are pretending.
Now were getting there

It's most noticiable in quake and unreal games.

Somewhat noticiable in cod games

Makes absolutely no practical difference in BC2

I can see the difference, but I don't care unless I play quake or unreal. For that, I brake out my CRT
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Yeah I wish 120hz were more mainstream. I've also heard they are "easier" to watch and cause less eye strain/fatigue.
No. That was in CRT era. Now 120hz makes everything more smooth.

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I am super excited about my 40" Phillips 120Hz LCD. No ghosting at all. It is like switching from a PS2 to an Xbox 360.
120 REAL hz on a TV? I just don't see the reasoning behind: there is nothing that can input 120hz to a tv except a computer. And It doesn't make any sense to launch a product solely for pc.

Ah! Don't mix things up 120hz != less ghosting. Ghosting is determined by the speed of the panel, not the frequency itself. Yeah, they use the fastest panels for 120hz (because otherwise your eyes would bleed in 3d mode) but its not directly related.
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