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I use rhythmbox in ubuntu and really like it. Kinda basic but it sounds great and i have been syncing my ipod with it as well. XBMC is great for videos and stuff, i have not tried it for the music....
XBMC is great for general use and if I could get the damn live CDs to work then I'd show people what Linux can do without having to drag my sig rig around. But I find it's audio and video quality to be lacking compared to Audacious and SMPlayer (for movies).

Rythmbox is Gnome. I are in KDE.


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I'm using OSS4, I think it's far higher quality than ALSA, volume is maxed.

I turned the crossfade off? You sure you're using the latest version?
Hmm...haven't tried OSS4 out. Might look into that.
Sadly I just got Amarok 2.4 a few days ago and still no option to disable crossfade or control it in anyway.
But it's still missing the floating point output. And I'm sure I'm not making things up. Can anyone else confirm or deny that floating point output is better than fixed integer?
     
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I watch bluray rips with XBMC on my zotac zbox hd-11 on my led tv and it looks awesome, with 5.1 sound (hdmi cable). Not sure why it is not good for you.

Also, i've never heard of not being able to load a gnome program because you are in KDE.....It should work just fine....
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I watch bluray rips with XBMC on my zotac zbox hd-11 on my led tv and it looks awesome, with 5.1 sound (hdmi cable). Not sure why it is not good for you.

Also, i've never heard of not being able to load a gnome program because you are in KDE.....It should work just fine....
Have you tried SMPlayer or Mplayer? It's not a super huge difference in quality but it's noticeable when you tweak the settings to get the best out of both players. I'm not saying that it's not good, it's just not as good as SMPlayer to me. Though both are better than anything I could find in windows (free or otherwise).

It would work fine but I'd have to essentially install Gnome I believe (if I'm wrong tell me because I wouldn't mind giving it a try again). I checked once when I was a new convert to Kubuntu. I just don't want Gnome because I've had bad experiences with it. I'm sure that for others it wouldn't matter.
     
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XBMC is based off mplayer, I'm not sure if it's as updated though (due to mplayer gets updates, then I'm guessing XBMC gets them integrated). Smplayer is just a GUI for Mplayer, really Mplayer is where it's at. Mplayer > Anything IMO, it's never failed me and has always ran video smoothly.
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XBMC is based off mplayer, I'm not sure if it's as updated though (due to mplayer gets updates, then I'm guessing XBMC gets them integrated). Smplayer is just a GUI for Mplayer, really Mplayer is where it's at. Mplayer > Anything IMO, it's never failed me and has always ran video smoothly.
I know it's a GUI but I didn't see XBMC as looking good. Then again I have a notorious habit of missing things that could have allowed it to look as good. It was just easier to get SMplayer working for me. I hope I didn't sound as dumb as I am.
There have been a few videos that SMplayer/Mplayer didn't like but they were downloads from youtube or .m2ts Bluray rips. And I have to say that makemkv's rips are better than the other ripper I had that made .m2ts contained files.

Again I wonder why programs that you have to pay for or that are made by companies for profit like iTunes are so inferior to what is made by the free things from the open source community?

But no one else uses floating point output for their audio? Can someone else try it out and tell if they notice a difference. I think there is one but I'm uncertain that it as big as I make it out to be. It's just my feeling that if I can have the best quality in certain areas then why not have it?
     
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I use floating point for Audacious, have to run it at 48000Hz though. I run the best quality audio I can through linux/OSX so that I can get my techno to sound right.

XBMC isn't a GUI, it's literally based off Mplayer. As in the source code for Mplayer gets ported over, it's not like Smplayer. Think XMMS to Audacious, the xmms project died out, so they took the source code and created Audacious. The only difference is that Mplayer isn't dead. =P
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I use floating point for Audacious, have to run it at 48000Hz though. I run the best quality audio I can through linux/OSX so that I can get my techno to sound right.

XBMC isn't a GUI, it's literally based off Mplayer. As in the source code for Mplayer gets ported over, it's not like Smplayer. Think XMMS to Audacious, the xmms project died out, so they took the source code and created Audacious. The only difference is that Mplayer isn't dead. =P
Are you saying lossless encoded files at the 48kHz sample rate or that the output settings should be made to force 48kHz? Cause where I can make out a decent improvement is definitely in the ALAC or FLAC files I have. But even some crappy 192 kbit 44kHz songs benefited from it. Still it's the first the time I've ever encountered it so if it seems like I'm a kid with a new toy that's why. Is there something like that in XBMC?

Gah, following the development of things in the Linux world isn't as easy as a straight line. And I don't know why but I feel like XBMC is an distro. It takes over and has it's own interface along with settings. But I will look to figuring out if I can find out how to get the same quality out of it that I have in the other two programs.

Do you use global AA and AF at all? Maybe I'm again noticing something that isn't there but when I have 16xAA and 16xAF global enabled the quality of out put through vdpau in SMplayer is amazing (though I need to have a massive cache size setting to avoid stuttering). I'll check what I'm doing wrong with XBMC. Thanks for correcting me without a lashing.
     
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I don't play with video settings or anything, I don't have too high a resolution though either. 1600x1200, I just use vdpau (if I can, or GL2). With vdpau you can't actually use any plugins and such, it's all done through vdpau? I'm not sure, I just know vdpau is supposed to be what Nvidia uses.

My mp3's are all 41000Hz, I have a few 48000Hz FLAC files though. I force it though 41000->48000Hz so it works, something is broken with the Audacious OSS4 plugin. =S Every other program I have runs 41000Hz and OSS4 converts it, but apparently the Audacious OSS4 plugin says no. =( I get crackling and popping, but I think that's a player issue. ALSA should do Floating point too, as long as hardware supports it, I think it's mainly a program issue these days.

[edit] Most of my shows now are online, I rarely watch a video file. =P <3 online TV!
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I don't play with video settings or anything, I don't have too high a resolution though either. 1600x1200, I just use vdpau (if I can, or GL2). With vdpau you can't actually use any plugins and such, it's all done through vdpau? I'm not sure, I just know vdpau is supposed to be what Nvidia uses.

My mp3's are all 41000Hz, I have a few 48000Hz FLAC files though. I force it though 41000->48000Hz so it works, something is broken with the Audacious OSS4 plugin. =S Every other program I have runs 41000Hz and OSS4 converts it, but apparently the Audacious OSS4 plugin says no. =( I get crackling and popping, but I think that's a player issue. ALSA should do Floating point too, as long as hardware supports it, I think it's mainly a program issue these days.

[edit] Most of my shows now are online, I rarely watch a video file. =P <3 online TV!
HOLY CRAP. Audiogasm. I may have pushed things a bit too far but I changed the sample conversion for everything to 96kHz and combined with floating point output is like finally hearing as close to the studio masters that I'll ever get. Why is this not mandatory in audio players? I remember trying to force sample rate conversion in windows through realtec and iTunes along with my movie in MPC-HD would sound like crap. And you know what happened. It made me think that doing those things was either a bad idea or only good if I had files that matched those sample levels. Why don't the audiophiles on here ever talk about it. I was just looking around quickly so I might have missed it but they seem more concerned with the equipment than the source.

EDIT: I think I know why they don't include access to floating point output and such high level sample rate output converters. I now have essentially one core dedicated to just music playback. I can't imagine how much stress this would put something like an Atom through. Hm...I think I might just build Audacious on my netbook and find out. Yay for new shiny toys.
I wonder though if 192kHz is overkill?
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HOLY CRAP. Audiogasm. I may have pushed things a bit too far but I changed the sample conversion for everything to 96kHz and combined with floating point output is like finally hearing as close to the studio masters that I'll ever get. Why is this not mandatory in audio players? I remember trying to force sample rate conversion in windows through realtec and iTunes along with my movie in MPC-HD would sound like crap. And you know what happened. It made me think that doing those things was either a bad idea or only good if I had files that matched those sample levels. Why don't the audiophiles on here ever talk about it. I was just looking around quickly so I might have missed it but they seem more concerned with the equipment than the source.

EDIT: I think I know why they don't include access to floating point output and such high level sample rate output converters. I now have essentially one core dedicated to just music playback. I can't imagine how much stress this would put something like an Atom through. Hm...I think I might just build Audacious on my netbook and find out. Yay for new shiny toys.
I wonder though if 192kHz is overkill?
Debatable, some say you can hear the entire spectrum.... That is to say a person with perfect hearing could tell the difference, most can't. If you can tell the subtle differences than go for it. I just run at 48000Hz + float + OSS4 = MMMM MMMMM good
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