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post #161 of 228
nah, now this will just become a game for hackers... who can piss off sony the most(and not get caught )? MAKE EM RAGE!!!

I'm surprised Anonymous has had no retaliations yet. Or at least I haven't heard of any so far.
post #162 of 228
Anon has no need to meddle in this litigation.

What I find funny is how the 360 is hacked to play pirated games and using hacks on line, but MS doesnt attack the hackers themselves by going after them, they either hire them, or put more security into the service to deter hackers.
In my 6 years with xbox live, I have only seen a handful of hackers.
    
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Jailbraking or Rooting your phone is completely different than causing a detrimental security hole in a gaming platform.
Burden of proof is on you. Please, show us how it's different.

And if you're unable to, will you concede that you have no idea what you're talking about and stop acting like a child?

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This is actually false. It used to be that way prior to the DMCA but now just the act of breaking DRM is illegal and can be punished.
Well, the amendment to the DMCA over the jailbreaking case suggests otherwise. It said something to the effect of "IP that restricts the use of a mobile telephone device is not covered under copyright law." And we all know that the difference between a mobile smartphone and your game console or computer is arbitrary at best.

I hope sony gets a foot shoved up it's ass.
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Burden of proof is on you. Please, show us how it's different.

And if you're unable to, will you concede that you have no idea what you're talking about and stop acting like a child?
Yup, keep ignoring the fact that this has caused a huge security breach and allows hackers into every game now. You guys keep quoting one piece here, one piece there, but neglect to post the marrow. That's why *I'm* not the one being childish here.

If you Jailbreak a phone, it's for personal use. If you Jailbreak a PS3, you have wide open access to wreak havoc in other people's games. End of story. So, please, go ahead and quote one minor part of this post, because that's all you're capable of doing.
post #165 of 228
I'm going to hack my sony TV and post it on youtube, just to mess with them.
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Yup, keep ignoring the fact that this has caused a huge security breach and allows hackers into every game now. You guys keep quoting one piece here, one piece there, but neglect to post the marrow. That's why *I'm* not the one being childish here.
And the same can be said for the iPhone. Unlocking the phone allows one to install pirated and unapproved apps, including emulators. In fact, Apple used a similar line in it's defense of the illegality of unlocking the iPhone [OMG PIRACY].

So, how is unlocking the PS3 any different again?

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If you Jailbreak a phone, it's for personal use. If you Jailbreak a PS3, you have wide open access to wreak havoc in other people's games. End of story. So, please, go ahead and quote one minor part of this post, because that's all you're capable of doing.
I fail to see how unlocking your PS3 is for anything other than 'personal use'. Just because the unlock grants you the ability to pirate doesn't mean it should be made illegal, unless you enjoy supporting Orwellian police tactics.

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Burden of not being a douche is now on you.
Ad Hominem attacks get you nowhere. That is why you are being childish. You can't separate your emotions from a discussion.

You made a claim. Now, it's put up or shut up time.
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 2/9/11 at 6:23am
post #167 of 228
Love the "This is why..."

Considering the PS2 was easy to hack, Someone saying "This is why..." is slightly retarded. You mean to tell me you didn't buy a PS3 because you knew sony would react like this over it? Even when the PS2 was easily hacked and they didn't get this uptight over it?

Yeah. Ok.

On the other hand I wish it would of never happened, now all the people who suck at gaming on the PS3 will complain others are hacking, just because they know the hacks are there now.
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And the same can be said for the iPhone. Unlocking the phone allows one to install pirated and unapproved apps, including emulators. In fact, Apple used a similar line in it's defense of the illegality of unlocking the iPhone [OMG PIRACY].

So, how is unlocking the PS3 any different again?



I fail to see how unlocking your PS3 is for anything other than 'personal use'. Just because the unlock grants you the ability to pirate doesn't mean it should be made illegal, unless you enjoy supporting Orwellian police tactics.



Ad Hominem attacks get you nowhere. That is why you are being childish. You can't separate your emotions from a discussion.

You made a claim. Now, it's put up or shut up time.
I'd like to see you make me shutup, tough guy. Again, congrats for ignoring the facts. You're pretty awesome at that.

And again for about the millionth time in this thread, you're ignoring the fact that hacking in-game has become prevelant since the release of this exploit. And once again, ignoring the fact that the iPhone Jailbreak is for PERSONAL USE, and the PS3's is not intended for such, no matter what Geohot claims. If he were really not into the hacking and pirating side of this, he would have weighed out the pros and cons and realized that releasing the exploit wouldn't be for the greater good.

I really could care less about the piracy bit. Pirate all you want. But this exploit has caused a significant security hole in an online platform that's connected to millions, in which games are being hacked, and accounts are now easier to phish.

Good job! You've failed, yet again, to come to the logical conclusion for the sole benefit of your views! I wish I had some kind of award around here to give to you. Maybe a toilet flange... some astroglide... I dunno. Something. You really deserve it.
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And again for about the millionth time in this thread, you're ignoring the fact that hacking in-game has become prevelant since the release of this exploit.
My googling skills seem to have failed me, as I can't find anything that supports that claim. If you have it, by all means, provide it.

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And once again, ignoring the fact that the iPhone Jailbreak is for PERSONAL USE, and the PS3's is not intended for such, no matter what Geohot claims.
It's a good thing that you know the intentions of everyone in the entire world. Both exploits do the same thing: they bypass software that artificially limits the capabilities of the hardware. You can't claim to speak for everyone and what they intend to do with this exploit. Sorry.

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If he were really not into the hacking and pirating side of this, he would have weighed out the pros and cons and realized that releasing the exploit wouldn't be for the greater good.
Yes, because locking down hardware is for the 'Greater Good'. /facepalm

There are ways to fix the situation sony is in. But none of them are as easy or as [they hope] profitable as suing the guy who broke the hypervisor.

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I really could care less about the piracy bit. Pirate all you want. But this exploit has caused a significant security hole in an online platform that's connected to millions, in which games are being hacked, and accounts are now easier to phish.
Okay, so you have a problem with the software being run on the hardware. I was under the impression that you were up in arms solely because of piracy. But either way, it's your hardware, you can do what you want to it. Sony can deny you access to the PSN, they can refuse to honor their warranty, but they should not be able to sue you over it. Period.
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You provide no facts. You simply assert things as if they were factual, but make no effort to substantiate them.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

My googling skills seem to have failed me, as I can't find anything that supports that claim. If you have it, by all means, provide it.
Wow, you really couldn't find anything on Google? Funny, cos I could find thousands of links. Funny how your silly agenda-pushing favors your handicap.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/0...on-3-exploit/#

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This gives any software maker unbridled access to the PlayStation 3’s innermost workings, laying the console’s architecture bare for coders and hackers to run riot. Pirated games, unsigned applications and even full, hard-coded custom firmwares can be run on the console, and Sony has no way to fix the glaring exploit — outside of releasing brand new hardware with a completely new encryption method.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Game-Security

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The PS3 security problems aren't just Sony's headache; developers and publishers suffering, too. Call of Duty developer, Infinity Ward, says that it is feeling the effects of the hacks especially keenly, thanks to the popularity of the CoD series, and the experience has shown it that it can't rely just on platform security in the future.

Writing on the Infinity Ward forums, creative strategist and former community manager Robert Bowling acknowledged that there was a problem with hacked stats on the PS3. Unfortunately, he said there was very little that Infinity Ward could do, as the problem was not with the game, but with the platform itself. This meant that until Sony fixed the security problem, the hacking would continue. Bowling advised that people play in private matches with people that they knew until Sony re-secured the platform.

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Yes, because locking down hardware is for the 'Greater Good'. /facepalm
Unlocking software to allow people to run rampant online and ruin what other people paid for is not for the greater good.

There are ways to fix the situation sony is in. But none of them are as easy or as [they hope] profitable as suing the guy who broke the hypervisor.
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