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Originally Posted by Deagle50ae;12293156 
My car is capable of doing 155MPH. 170MPH with limiter disabled. I get in trouble if I do that. But it's my car. I should be able to do anything I want with it.

My point is that everybody has known tampering with the system would cause trouble. Don't act surprised when troubles comes knocking.

I take no stance on right or wrong in the matter.

My point is this:

Yes, disabling the limiter can get you in trouble, as it let's you go faster than you should in some areas. But the act of disabling the limiter isn't a crime, and yet that's exactly what sony is doing to GeoHot: putting him under legal pressure as if he has done something illegal.
post #42 of 228
OMG. More nubcakes that really don't understand what's going on.

PEOPLE: You bought the hardware, and agreed to use the software. End of story. It is not legal to reverse engineer the code to exploit the software. These guys fully understood what they were doing when they did this, and even threatened Sony.

Oh, wait, what's that I see coming? A "troll" post. rolleyes.gif How mature of all of you. Btw, 4Chan is the ghey. There, I said it.


Sony has a right to protect its product and the millions of users who use the software legitimately. You think cheating online is bad now? Wait til these firmware hacks provide even MORE options for cheaters.

Sony has a right to stop that.
post #43 of 228
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Originally Posted by Deagle50ae;12293174 
Why assume somebody is a troll if they disagree with you?
Very childish.
That's just like Sony saying hackers = pirates.
Sure feels nice to put people in your own labeled boxes. Makes things easier.

You own the hardware... but you license the software and agree to t&c's to use PSN. So, modifying the existing software is illegal. You can do whatever you like with the hardware and install whatever custom software you like (so long as it is not written from Sony's code), just don't expect to be able to use PSN.

People don't seem to understand the difference between ownership of hardware and licensing of software. It's the exact same reasons why developers can ban cheaters in games.
post #44 of 228
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Originally Posted by XNine;12293469 
OMG. More nubcakes that really don't understand what's going on.

PEOPLE: You bought the hardware, and agreed to use the software. End of story. It is not legal to reverse engineer the code to exploit the software. These guys fully understood what they were doing when they did this, and even threatened Sony.

Oh, wait, what's that I see coming? A "troll" post. rolleyes.gif How mature of all of you. Btw, 4Chan is the ghey. There, I said it.


Sony has a right to protect its product and the millions of users who use the software legitimately. You think cheating online is bad now? Wait til these firmware hacks provide even MORE options for cheaters.

Sony has a right to stop that.
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Originally Posted by alex98uk;12293500 
You own the hardware... but you license the software and agree to t&c's to use PSN. So, modifying the existing software is illegal. You can do whatever you like with the hardware and install whatever custom software you like (so long as it is not written from Sony's code), just don't expect to be able to use PSN.

People don't seem to understand the difference between ownership of hardware and licensing of software. It's the exact same reasons why developers can ban cheaters in games.

How many times will I have to say this before people start reading what I type?

The DMCA was modified in the apple jailbreaking case. It states that IP that restricts the functionality of a device is not covered under copyright law insofar as breaking the code to allow greater functionality.

So, no, sony doesn't have a right to sue geohot over this.
post #45 of 228
This story is boring now, borderline annoying.
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post #46 of 228
They will prolly sue me coz i buy everything retail for my ps3 frown.gif
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post #47 of 228
Sony loses in any case, because they look like some kind of evil empire ready to crush all comers. It would be different if the various hacks were anti-competitive, like reverse engineering to put some competing product on the market. But this is more about unlocking or giving features that should have been there in the first place. Nothing different from Jailbreaking - because no device should be in jail in the first place.
post #48 of 228
They are wasting a whole lot of money trying to stop a very small amount of people from allowing another very small amount of people modify their own systems. Even IF it leads to piracy it is still an even smaller amount of people that will go to those lengths to get free games.
The PS3 is in the final few years of it's reign they should just focus on the future.
Who ever is leading this charge should be fired for not contributing anything creative or innovative to the company.
I'm all for hacks because when sony stops supporting their own product, (which you know damn well will happen) at least you can still have your own fun with it.
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post #49 of 228
Scare tactics to keep people from doing to the psp2 what was done to the psp. But more than not legally aggressive actions like this take a much less desirable route for the aggressive side.

I can mildly agree with everyone siding with sony with terms of software usage, but even that has its own pitfalls.
And even more has the potential to just drive "hackers" to create a completely separate coreboot type firmware for the ps3, and do away with sony completely.
Which again, would be much less desirable than any other outcome that legally allows people to modify their systems (excluding online use).
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post #50 of 228
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven;12291093 
But don't tell me what I can and can't do with something I buy. At worse I should lose my warranty.

I entirely agree...
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