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Why does sony care so much about piracy on the PS3? People who would actually pirate games on their PS3 must be like 2 percent. Hardly seems worth all the trouble.
Thats what i was thinking also. But if they make the process as easy as a 1 click "Jail Break", then this would really open it up to everyone. I over-heard total ******* talk about them jailbreaking their IPhones. ******* who listen to 50 cent, have fart sound boards on their phone and who believe Jerremy Kyle is the most important topic of the day.
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But once you buy a car, that is it. You don't continue to buy Ford software afterwards. Cars are made to be sold at a profit whereas consoles, to make them mainstream luxury, have to be sold at a loss leading price. It is games licensing etc... that makes up the profit and that is why it has to be protected.
But the car companies do not always make profits - GM and Chrysler went bankrupt. And you are also wrong, because if you buy a Ford, you can opt to buy Genuine Ford Parts and have your car serviced at a Ford dealership - both of which "add profit" for the company. However, you are not required to use Ford only parts for your Ford - and Ford won't be suing you for buying Monroe struts or Raybostos brake pads - nor will they sue you if you choose to rip out your seats, add a roll cage, and take the car out and bust it in a Rally. Of course, you won't get warranty service - but you are also not being sued.

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So, the analogy isn't the same. If Sony/Microsoft made their profit on each console, then I would have much less sympathy, but then each console would have cost a lot, lot more to buy.
Why does it matter if they make profit or not? If they can't make money on a console, that's their problem. It's their business model that is at fault, not some hobbyist that wants to do some hardware hacking or mods. It's not like the hacker is asking for warranty repairs or anything.

Even if you follow your logic, legally, Sony suffers no damage from the hacking in question - in fact, it can entirely be demonstrated that the hacking and modding "adds interest", and thus, boosts sales of the product, and hence, is good for Sony.

And if the profit is in the software - then they should be making software that people want to purchase. It's not like this hacker was cracking the software, then selling the ripped off product and pocketing all the money.

Besides, a number of "super computers" have been constructed out of PS3s - and by Sony's logic, they have to sue all of them because the PS3 was never intended for such tasks, nor does Sony make the software for it, and hence, does not make any profit.

The only issue Sony can bring forth is that the hacking does damage to Sony or their product. Booting another OS certainly does no damage to Sony - the hacker bought the PS3 and Sony scored their money. If Sony can't turn a profit, that's Sony's problem - not some dual boot OS. Just like you are free to run Linux on an HP computer - because that does no damage to HP - though by your logic, if HP decided that the computer requires Win7 Home Premium - that is the only system you are allowed to run on it, with only the software they include, and adding even one application would result in instant lawsuits over it.
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But the car companies do not always make profits - GM and Chrysler went bankrupt.
Cross subsidisation is hardly relevant to the conversation in hand...

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And you are also wrong, because if you buy a Ford, you can opt to buy Genuine Ford Parts and have your car serviced at a Ford dealership - both of which "add profit" for the company.
Indeed you can, but the initial product, the car, is made as a profitable entity.

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However, you are not required to use Ford only parts for your Ford - and Ford won't be suing you for buying Monroe struts or Raybostos brake pads - nor will they sue you if you choose to rip out your seats, add a roll cage, and take the car out and bust it in a Rally. Of course, you won't get warranty service - but you are also not being sued.
Nope, but say a new company came along and offered a car at $100 but the terms and conditions said "by purchasing this car, you agree to only purchase official parts"... would you not expect the company to enforce that?

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Why does it matter if they make profit or not? If they can't make money on a console, that's their problem.
"Why does it matter if they make a profit or not"... serious?

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It's their business model that is at fault, not some hobbyist that wants to do some hardware hacking or mods. It's not like the hacker is asking for warranty repairs or anything.
But if they didn't take that business model... then would consoles be popular at all? All companies use that model because it is the easiest and most profitable way to market and makes what is essentially a luxury good, mainstream

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Even if you follow your logic, legally, Sony suffers no damage from the hacking in question - in fact, it can entirely be demonstrated that the hacking and modding "adds interest", and thus, boosts sales of the product, and hence, is good for Sony.
Have you even read why they are taking their actions? It's all about trying to reduce/prevent piracy of games. As sad as it is, that is a real externality of "hacking" the console.

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And if the profit is in the software - then they should be making software that people want to purchase. It's not like this hacker was cracking the software, then selling the ripped off product and pocketing all the money.
You ever noticed that the most popular games are always top of the most downloaded torrent lists?

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Besides, a number of "super computers" have been constructed out of PS3s - and by Sony's logic, they have to sue all of them because the PS3 was never intended for such tasks, nor does Sony make the software for it, and hence, does not make any profit.
Nope, they would have special licensing agreements you'll find

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The only issue Sony can bring forth is that the hacking does damage to Sony or their product. Booting another OS certainly does no damage to Sony - the hacker bought the PS3 and Sony scored their money.
A single action can have numerous externalities. Sure, the initial hacking to open up other options isn't necessarily damaging, but the ability to pirate games using custom software is. If piracy poses too much of a risk to investment and revenue, then you can't blame them for shutting it down.

Essentially, what you have stated does take into account real world business/politics... In the end, Sony removed "other OS" because Geohotz was using it to hack the console. If he hadn't have done that, you'd still have Linux. I don't blame Sony for defending their revenue.
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Why do we have so many pro-piracy members here?
Seriously, Sony is a business, they need to make money.
They make alot of their profit by selling games, if people are going around hacking their consoles and playing the games for free then there goes a huge (potential) chunk of profit.

So what do they do? They try to hack-proof the consoles and when that fails they take legal action against the hackers, seems pretty sensible to me.
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YOU FAIL Sony. I wouldn't buy any homebrew uncabaple Sony console ever. My PSP was running hacked Firmware and i was happy running games from my 8GB mem. stick, that was the only tempting side of PSP. If those hackers haven't enabled homebrew then there was no way i'd buy their handheld. I know some of you think like me and in my opinion Sony shots himself in the foot with this.
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YOU FAIL Sony. I wouldn't buy any homebrew uncabaple Sony console ever. My PSP was running hacked Firmware and i was happy running games from my 8GB mem. stick, that was the only tempting side of PSP. If those hackers haven't enabled homebrew then there was no way i'd buy their handheld. I know some of you think like me and in my opinion Sony shots himself in the foot with this.
That's nice, and no one cares what you think. You and your like-minded fellows are the reason that honest users, average consumers, have to put up with this BS in the first place.

Geohot and his chronies all deserve a swift kick in the nuts. Their greed has pushed Sony into a corner, and Sony has responded.

"Damn the average user! We don't care what hurts them, as long as us, the minority, get what we want like spoiled little 3 year old brats, that's all that's important!"

Get over yourself. Sony has a business to run and customers to protect.
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Get over yourself. Sony has a business to run and customers to protect.
What protection? They're milking you, you're nothing but a cashcow. Homebrew is freedom man, you're just delusional thinking that you need protection, if you ever need protection, that should be from Sony and their evil,strict policies.

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That's nice, and no one cares what you think. You and your like-minded fellows are the reason that honest users, average consumers, have to put up with this BS in the first place.

Geohot and his chronies all deserve a swift kick in the nuts. Their greed has pushed Sony into a corner, and Sony has responded.

"Damn the average user! We don't care what hurts them, as long as us, the minority, get what we want like spoiled little 3 year old brats, that's all that's important!"

Get over yourself. Sony has a business to run and customers to protect.
yes geohot is really bad person for wanting to get back a feature that the system originally came with....
get over yourself with that self righteous I attitude
bottom line my PS3 is mine(I don't actually own a PS3 but if i did) and if I want to hack it to run bootleg games or ubuntu that's my business.
Sony can void my warranty and ban me from PSN at best but they feel the need to be greedy so they can go DIAF as far as I care.
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Can we please just go to court, Sony lose like Apple did with the iPhone. then PS3, 360, Wii all be 100% legal to jailbreak and we can get over this.

this is sad sony, you are looking worse than Apple. what a sad sad company theey have become
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That's nice, and no one cares what you think. You and your like-minded fellows are the reason that honest users, average consumers, have to put up with this BS in the first place.

Geohot and his chronies all deserve a swift kick in the nuts. Their greed has pushed Sony into a corner, and Sony has responded.

"Damn the average user! We don't care what hurts them, as long as us, the minority, get what we want like spoiled little 3 year old brats, that's all that's important!"

Get over yourself. Sony has a business to run and customers to protect.
What greed did GeoHot exhibit? Ironic that you call GeoHot greedy but not Sony ...
    
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