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i can see battlefield dethrone CoD. The sheeple just want the next best thing. If marketing tells the sheeple that Battlefield 3 is the next big thing, they will clamor for it.

The most popular game doesnt have to be the best, it just needs the best marketing. Only battlefield 3 will bring the goods that deserves the sales.

If you dont like battlefield games, well I think we are done here, obviously you dont have the mental faculties to truly comprehend the complete awesomeness that is the battlefield series. go play duty calls where the game gives you everything you need to not earn your kills.
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Battlefield players here sound all "elitists" and every other game is crap when you play it.

I am sorry Call of Duty 4, WAW, MW2, and Black Ops, are completely different type of shooters than Bad Company 2 of BF2. You don't compare CoD4 to say Doom 3 do you? (If you do... you are just wrong.) Call of Duty is a lot like Counter-Strike, Battlefield is a lot like.... Battlefield. They are both great game series.

You all have to stop whining about CoD, and focusing on your own title, and some of its main downfalls.

Thinks like going prone is an issue for many players, myself included.

Strange lag & hit box detection (which they did eventually fix some of it.) Firing an entire clip into someones back (hearing registered hits) and all he does is turn around and one shoot me with a shotgun or some rocket and that just pisses me off. It takes my skill out of the game, and forces me to be at the mercy of a computer.

A shotgun you can snipe with.

Hacking, as with all games is an issue.

A hardcore mode that doesn't feel any different than regular mode. If I am playing hardcore mode, I expect a .50 caliber bullet to kill you, not several .50 caliber bullets. If you say shoot them in the head, shut up. I am not an aimbotter, nor a perfect marksman, and the fact that some guys can only die if you shoot them in their head, is the most unrealistic BS I have ever heard. THEY ARE NOT ZOMBIES, how realistic is it to shoot every internal major organ, only to be healed by some gauss from a med pack lying on the ground getting applied through osmosis? Its not.

A TDM that is at most 16 people distributed over 4 different teams, thats just retarded, let people have 16 v 16 or 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 straight up kill fests. Some of us don't see the point of blowing up an empty building, or taking over an empty cargo container in the middle of a desert for points, yet thats all we have to choose from when we want massive battles.

Stop whining at people who like to snipe. I am so sick of that, if some guy wants to creep around the jungle picking people off, let him, its a video game for craps sake, and the game developers put it in the game. He would probably play Team death match, but hey guess what team death match options blow, give the guy/kid a break and let him have fun.

They fix Hardcore mode and team death match, and I for sure would be most happy to play this title. The other stuff I can deal with I suppose.
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I think 64 player maps will be epic. There will be tons of people to shoot at then! When I built my computer a year ago this game was honestly at the back of my mind the whole time...... Heck I built my first computer for BF2 to take to lanparties...... AMD 939 3800 x2, 2 gb of ram and a x800pro. Those were the days!!!!
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Battlefield players here sound all "elitists" and every other game is crap when you play it.
It's true, most people on this forum that spout their CoD is awful message are just as biased and blinkered as those who claim CoD is the second coming of Christ.

They are different games, appeal to different markets and are both good in their own ways.
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Battlefield players here sound all "elitists" and every other game is crap when you play it.

I am sorry Call of Duty 4, WAW, MW2, and Black Ops, are completely different type of shooters than Bad Company 2 of BF2. You don't compare CoD4 to say Doom 3 do you? (If you do... you are just wrong.) Call of Duty is a lot like Counter-Strike, Battlefield is a lot like.... Battlefield. They are both great game series.

You all have to stop whining about CoD, and focusing on your own title, and some of its main downfalls.

Thinks like going prone is an issue for many players, myself included.

Strange lag & hit box detection (which they did eventually fix some of it.) Firing an entire clip into someones back (hearing registered hits) and all he does is turn around and one shoot me with a shotgun or some rocket and that just pisses me off. It takes my skill out of the game, and forces me to be at the mercy of a computer.

A shotgun you can snipe with.

Hacking, as with all games is an issue.

A hardcore mode that doesn't feel any different than regular mode. If I am playing hardcore mode, I expect a .50 caliber bullet to kill you, not several .50 caliber bullets. If you say shoot them in the head, shut up. I am not an aimbotter, nor a perfect marksman, and the fact that some guys can only die if you shoot them in their head, is the most unrealistic BS I have ever heard. THEY ARE NOT ZOMBIES, how realistic is it to shoot every internal major organ, only to be healed by some gauss from a med pack lying on the ground getting applied through osmosis? Its not.

A TDM that is at most 16 people distributed over 4 different teams, thats just retarded, let people have 16 v 16 or 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 straight up kill fests. Some of us don't see the point of blowing up an empty building, or taking over an empty cargo container in the middle of a desert for points, yet thats all we have to choose from when we want massive battles.

Stop whining at people who like to snipe. I am so sick of that, if some guy wants to creep around the jungle picking people off, let him, its a video game for craps sake, and the game developers put it in the game. He would probably play Team death match, but hey guess what team death match options blow, give the guy/kid a break and let him have fun.

They fix Hardcore mode and team death match, and I for sure would be most happy to play this title. The other stuff I can deal with I suppose.
go play those lesser games then, we dont want you in battlefield. I might sound elitist, but i am honest in the fact i own black ops, and it was a huge mistake, the game is garbage. it doesnt take any skill in that game, its a game that rewards you for hiding in a corner and sticking claymores next to doors. Things that require no skill.
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Battlefield players here sound all "elitists" and every other game is crap when you play it.

I am sorry Call of Duty 4, WAW, MW2, and Black Ops, are completely different type of shooters than Bad Company 2 of BF2. You don't compare CoD4 to say Doom 3 do you? (If you do... you are just wrong.) Call of Duty is a lot like Counter-Strike, Battlefield is a lot like.... Battlefield. They are both great game series.

You all have to stop whining about CoD, and focusing on your own title, and some of its main downfalls.

Thinks like going prone is an issue for many players, myself included.

Strange lag & hit box detection (which they did eventually fix some of it.) Firing an entire clip into someones back (hearing registered hits) and all he does is turn around and one shoot me with a shotgun or some rocket and that just pisses me off. It takes my skill out of the game, and forces me to be at the mercy of a computer.

A shotgun you can snipe with.

Hacking, as with all games is an issue.

A hardcore mode that doesn't feel any different than regular mode. If I am playing hardcore mode, I expect a .50 caliber bullet to kill you, not several .50 caliber bullets. If you say shoot them in the head, shut up. I am not an aimbotter, nor a perfect marksman, and the fact that some guys can only die if you shoot them in their head, is the most unrealistic BS I have ever heard. THEY ARE NOT ZOMBIES, how realistic is it to shoot every internal major organ, only to be healed by some gauss from a med pack lying on the ground getting applied through osmosis? Its not.

A TDM that is at most 16 people distributed over 4 different teams, thats just retarded, let people have 16 v 16 or 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 straight up kill fests. Some of us don't see the point of blowing up an empty building, or taking over an empty cargo container in the middle of a desert for points, yet thats all we have to choose from when we want massive battles.

Stop whining at people who like to snipe. I am so sick of that, if some guy wants to creep around the jungle picking people off, let him, its a video game for craps sake, and the game developers put it in the game. He would probably play Team death match, but hey guess what team death match options blow, give the guy/kid a break and let him have fun.

They fix Hardcore mode and team death match, and I for sure would be most happy to play this title. The other stuff I can deal with I suppose.
I don't see anyone criticizing Call of Duty 4? I think everyone agrees that it was a great game (especially for it's time).

I personally really liked WAW myself...

It's the later versions that seem to be taking all the flack (I boycotted MWII due to a lack of server support and then never bothered with Black Ops).

Your point is taken though; they are very different styles of games. Where what some would call an elitist attitude comes into play is due to the learning curve. BC2 takes alot more work to become moderately proficient in. I was frequently a top player in COD4 and yet when I started BC2, I frankly was terrible for quite awhile. I almost gave up on the game outright. I eventually persevered to the point where i am half way decent but it was a frustrating learning curve compared to the much more arcade style games in the COD series.
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A TDM that is at most 16 people distributed over 4 different teams, thats just retarded, let people have 16 v 16 or 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 straight up kill fests. Some of us don't see the point of blowing up an empty building, or taking over an empty cargo container in the middle of a desert for points, yet thats all we have to choose from when we want massive battles.
The point of the goals is to force teams to converge and create conflict. On a huge map, guys would just sit around waiting for someone to happen to pass by or not be able to find anyone to shoot. It is a game play issue and the game designers already know that 8vs8 on a large map won't work. People will just sit in primary spawn.

BF is about big maps. There needs to conflict points so both teams will meet.

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Stop whining at people who like to snipe. I am so sick of that, if some guy wants to creep around the jungle picking people off, let him, its a video game for craps sake, and the game developers put it in the game. He would probably play Team death match, but hey guess what team death match options blow, give the guy/kid a break and let him have fun.
No, if you can't snipe and are not contributing to the team, then the team has every right to complain. BF is about teamwork. If you are not helping, get off my team so someone useful can join.

In BC2, there is no sniper class. It is recon who have the option of equiping with a bolt-action rifle.


i.e. Last night I was playing a 8vs8 Rush. Me and 2 guys were going into the enemy defend point to set off the MCOMs.... the rest of the team sat on a hill attempting to snipe. We lost.
Edited by DuckieHo - 2/7/11 at 7:15am
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CoD for me is more of am arcade FPS. BF is more like a simulator. They still need to simulate someone being stabbed in the back better though. LOL! Thats the ONLY thing I hate about Battlefield. I stab one and they are still standing.
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I want a FPS with a steep learning curve. BC2 unlocks were too easy to get... I want something that takes months to unlock.
Unlocks != learning curve...
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Huge text asking people to not talk about other games because we're elitists, then proceeds to talk about other games
umm ok.
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For me Blops has the best perk system of all the CoD games that have perks(as they got rid of stuff like juggernaught, Stopping power etc...)

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CoD for me is more of am arcade FPS. BF is more like a simulator. They still need to simulate someone being stabbed in the back better though. LOL! Thats the ONLY thing I hate about Battlefield. I stab one and they are still standing.
I was a moron/noob or w/e the other week made this mistake and Alex quite rightly told me how much of a twit I was (I am still blinded by the crushing disappointment of BC2). The BF games are not simulators; ArmA2 is a simulator. The BF games take simulator elements from ArmA2 but package it in a more user friendly way(not saying that BF players are noobs or anything).

@Duckie if you want a steep learning curve try ArmA2. The game is extremely unforgiving but once you learn it is one of the most rewarding and satisfying games I have played online
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