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Originally Posted by Xeio View Post
Everything else is just for show and adds no actual security.

I'm not a fan of security theater, I prefer the real thing.
It isn't security theater if it works on 99% of people.

Even advanced network security is "theater" in that sense, because someone could physically remove or monitor your hardware and bypass your network entirely. It is about threat mitigation, not invulnerability.
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the other 1 percent is typically thwarted by WPA2, and if that doesn't work, hide the SSID
I'll say it again. If they can beat WPA2, they can beat anything else you can do to secure your router (since it is literally trivial to see a non-broadcasted SSID or get by a MAC filter).

The only thing that can beat WPA2 (currently) is a lot of computing time.

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It isn't security theater if it works on 99% of people.

Even advanced network security is "theater" in that sense, because someone could physically remove or monitor your hardware and bypass your network entirely. It is about threat MITIGATIOn, not invulnerability.
Yea, except when people say "you need to do this, this, this, and this" to secure your router, when only one of those is actually necessary, it complicates things. Particularly to the inexperienced who have no idea what they're doing, and think it's already difficult enough just setting up WPA2. Promoting easy and effective security is better than ineffective and complicated.
Edited by Xeio - 2/7/11 at 8:04am
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My property is so large that this isn't a concern for me (closest neighbor is ~2 acres away). I leave my WiFi open since I'm constantly having people over and they sometimes want to bring their laptops/iPhone/iPod/whatever WiFi device. Too much of a hassle to go through getting them connected to my network each and every time if it's encrypted.
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It should be legal to use any open wifi network.
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This.

I'm wondering if this means >32% of all people don't have internet themselves or if they're too cheap to get wireless?
I live in an apartment. If my own wireless internet crashes, I'll just connect to a neighbors until I feel like rebooting my network.... I'm in this 32% demographic, but I've never 'stolen internet' as I define the term.
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That number is higher than I thought... Although, I am really wondering how many of these are one-off's, and how many of these are constant mooching.
     
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If you are stupid enough to leave your wifi unprotected you deserve to be hijacked lol.
I leave mine open intentionally, and usually have at least one freeloader on at any given time. I also use the neighbors connection to get around ip filters if my proxies aren't giving me enough bandwidth.

Provides us all with plausible deniability.

My systems are protected on an individual level, and if my router was hijacked, so what? I'm the only one with physical access and can disconnect it, reset it, or reflash it, at will.
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If you are stupid enough to leave your wifi unprotected you deserve to be hijacked lol.
there is programs that are open source that hack wifi connections.
I'm not saying go do it... just saying i some how doubt 32%+ of wifi connections are unprotected.
    
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I leave mine open intentionally, and usually have at least one freeloader on at any given time. I also use the neighbors connection to get around ip filters if my proxies aren't giving me enough bandwidth.

Provides us all with plausible deniability.

My systems are protected on an individual level, and if my router was hijacked, so what? I'm the only one with physical access and can disconnect it, reset it, or reflash it, at will.
What happens if that freeloader uses too much bandwidth? If you complain that someone hacked into your network, your ISP would simply tell you to lock it, and leave you with all the charges for going over, because since it is your network, you are responsible for everything that happens under it.
     
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What happens if that freeloader uses too much bandwidth? If you complain that someone hacked into your network, your ISP would simply tell you to lock it, and leave you with all the charges for going over, because since it is your network, you are responsible for everything that happens under it.
My connection is unlimited, as far as I know (I've hit ~500GB in a month without any charges), and if the freeloaders get annoying, I remove them.

I have no reason to complain to my ISP, if they annoy me or give me crap, I'll switch to a different one.

I'm not legally responsible for anything I don't do. There is no law that says I have to secure my connections, or monitor what others are doing on it. The ISP can disconnect me if the connection is used for something they don't approve of, but there won't be any legal repercussions without much more proof than the ISP is capable of giving anyone.
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