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meh, im going to stick with no protection and default router password Im not going to type in a password on an itouch or something everytime somebody comes over. But I guess I know all the people around our house so i think i can trust them and there are still a lot of unsecured networks i can pick up so im just going to share cause i would like to have internet access if i was outside or something. Nobody around me has much computer knowledge so i feel safe. I hope none of you or douche bag hackers move near me, then everybody has to be all protective and the nice sharing and neutrality of the community is ended
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Share some love guys,with love we build a better world
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I haven't, I don't use wireless.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
The ISPs concerns are irrelevant. The ISP has no power over me. They cannot fine me, they cannot imprison me.

The burden of proof in the legal system of the nation I reside in is on the accuser/prosecution. If I am accused of a crime, I am innocent until proven guilty.



Again, innocent until proven guilty.

My ISP cannot charge me with a crime, they can only provide their records and/or cease to service me. Since I am not legally required to secure my connection, I cannot reasonably be held responsible for actions other than my own, even if they happen on my connection.

Just as you will not be held legally responsible for the actions of a person who steals your unlocked car, I will not be held legally responsible for the actions of one who steals my unlocked internet connection.

I refuse to be required to lock my doors. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and no others.
I keep my connection open as well. I use the id "FreeforNow" to show that its free unless abused
(It hasn't yet in over a year)
Because of this a neighbor of mine created an unsecured guest access point so he shares some of his bandwidth now as well.

I just get annoyed by Mac-ish like people who think its cool to be "WPA" and lock up their access. They read amateur articles on these blog websites written by tech noobs who think they know something about "hackers".

"I want my network secure"
Well I want to smack these people in the face because they want to be hipster about it when all they do is use facebook,youtube,blogger. Well these people get a brute force attack by me using a custom linux client

If you have unlimited bandwidth and aren't working for the government in dealing with sensitive files then I see no reason why not to share some bandwidth,especially in America where ISP's are not being fair with their rates compared to other parts of the world.
Edited by dlee7283 - 2/7/11 at 3:07pm
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What wireless adapters do you guys have so that you can use your nerighbors wireless? I can only get my own network, and it is about 5 feet away.
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If you are stupid enough to leave your wifi unprotected you deserve to be hijacked lol.
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^ This.

There is a bar near where I work that has an unsecured WiFi connection that I am luckily able to connect to. I'm even willing to talk to the owner and suggest I throw him a few bucks a month, but I'm worried that he'll then realize his error.
I tend to disagree with that mentality--it's like saying if you leave the doors to your car unlocked, you deserve for your stuff to get stolen out of it, which is a pretty crappy way to think. Just because something is there for free doesn't mean you're at all entitled to it.

On the other hand, people should also make sure they protect themselves--you shouldn't go and not protect your wireless just like you shouldn't go around not locking your car doors, because there will always be douchebags who take advantage of situations like that.
    
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Theoretically, everything is pointless.

MAC filtering, limiting the DHCP addresses, active users, removing SSID broadcasting, etc all help though. Really, taking any basic measure will thwart 99% of people from getting on your connection. Those 1% ninja tech warriors are going to get into your machine if they want to, even if they break in and steal it.
Agreed. For the most part, having any security measure at all will keep prying eyes away. You don't have to have the most secure network in your neighborhood; you just have to make sure you don't have the least secure network.


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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
The ISPs concerns are irrelevant. The ISP has no power over me. They cannot fine me, they cannot imprison me.

The burden of proof in the legal system of the nation I reside in is on the accuser/prosecution. If I am accused of a crime, I am innocent until proven guilty.

Again, innocent until proven guilty.

My ISP cannot charge me with a crime, they can only provide their records and/or cease to service me. Since I am not legally required to secure my connection, I cannot reasonably be held responsible for actions other than my own, even if they happen on my connection.

Just as you will not be held legally responsible for the actions of a person who steals your unlocked car, I will not be held legally responsible for the actions of one who steals my unlocked internet connection.

I refuse to be required to lock my doors. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and no others.
While your statements are true, they don't take into consideration the tremendous headaches that can exist between "accused" and "proven guilty". If someone uses your network to transmit illegal images, the search warrant will be served on the network's owner (read: you). Your computers may be as pure as the driven snow; but they'll be confiscated and searched, and you won't get them back until the government is sure that you're not hiding anything illicit.

Granted, none of those headaches would be alleviated if you secured your network and someone hacked it. But the odds of some miscreant hacking a secure network are much less than the odds of him connecting to an open one.
    
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Just set it up on WPA2, Mac filtering and broadcast off. Unless your neighbours are a Government intelligence wing... then it's safe.
Mac filtering and turning ESSID broadcast off is a very poor security measure. People can uncover what your network name (ESSID) is in a few seconds, and then go ahead and crack it. Mac filtering is another poor security measure: there are a plethora of tools like macspoof for spoofing your mac to be the mac of an allowed client. You can see the mac addresses of machines connected wirelessly to an access point, so all a cracker needs to do is wait until it leaves the network, spoof their mac, and then they are in. Turning the ESSID broadcast off and using Mac filtering will only keep out skiddies or crackers with very limited knowledge.

WPA2 is the best security solution for home networks, but is still vulnerable to dictionary attacks and bruteforcing (however bruteforcing takes theoretically centuries if you have a long passkey). Dictionary attacks are fast when optimized to use Multiple GPU's and multiple-core CPU's. It is possible to run through dictionaries of nearly 2 billion passkeys in 5 hours with that type of resources.

The only practically secure wireless solution for home users on the cheaper, non-enterprise level wireless routers is to use WPA2 with a random 30 character or more passkey. An example would be:
KH8976H9RT3PP23D3H98KJHQWBN7887BKZXE and so on.

NEVER EVER USE WEP. People who think it is secure need to be slapped. WEP with any length or complexity or configuration can be cracked in 2-8 minutes. That's plenty of time for a dude sitting in a car outside your house.

Don't get me started talking about what can happen if you let a cracker into your wireless network. Bad, bad things can potentially happen.

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I have 26 wireless connections (excluding my own) available in my bedroom. 5 of them are unsecured and around 10 are 'secured' with WEP. One of them is called "P0rnTime" lol
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I have 26 wireless connections (excluding my own) available in my bedroom. 5 of them are unsecured and around 10 are 'secured' with WEP. One of them is called "P0rnTime" lol
Haha. I wonder if wpa2 works better. It's what I use.



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