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these triangle planes are my favorite ones! makes me wonder what else the government is hiding! (hint hint reverse engineering!)
Delta wing designs have a very high life-drag coefficient. They're a very advanced design, but very useful.

Also, I was thinking about it..

Is this article on the X-35 Phantom Ray, or the X-47? They are two completely different vehicles. :\\


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Too small for bombs? You're comparing a first-generation stealth bomber, to this..

How about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Diameter_Bomb

We've already got UAV's carrying larger bombs, and multiple Hellfire/Paveway missiles, what are you going on about?
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Subtracting pilot training, life-support, etc.
Subtracting unit cost for bulk purchase (Part of the reason the B-2 / Seawolf, etc. were so expensive)

A cruise missile is a one-use vehicle. You're talking about an entirely different subject. A cruise missile you send, and the entire thing takes out one target for the full price. Let's pretend this UAV takes up ten bombs. That's ten targets. Send ten cruise missiles. There' $5.5M+. And they're relatively SLOW.
During the test launch a few months ago, the X-37 was circling the globe every hour and a half.

The United States also safeguards people in more than fifty countries. Part of being the only Super/Hyper-power on Earth is the responsibility that comes with it. From holding back Russia (Which is still a threat. Ask its ex-satellites if you disagree) to maintaining a check on China, to North Korea, to Iran, etc.

Our Defense budget is so high because we are protecting many, many countries, and all at the same time.

You would have to be incredibly selfish to suggest we let the world all go to Hell so that you get free surgeries and medicine. Yeah, in a perfect world, people could police their own problems and everyone could live happy. But it's nto a perfect world.
Dude.

The simple economic reality is that the US can't afford the super-power game anymore. Pick one. Police the world. Or having police, firefighters, ambulances, hospitals, paved roads,and education etc. We cannot afford both, not in the all-in spending that we do.

There have been stories in the news lately of houses burning down and the firefighters did not come. The communities went to having a subscription-based firefighting coverage. There was no money to cover everything, and tax hikes to pay for things are political suicide.

That is the reality. We want everything, and the only reason the US government is still running is because we keep expanding our debt limit. Latest projections is that the government will run out of money on its current debt limit in May--at which point we'll probably issue more loans to ourselves. Further devaluing our currency.

Everyone wants toys and services in the US. And no one wants to pay for them....or worry about how we'll pay for them.
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Thats why i have been overseas for so long. Sure i miss out on lan parties and all that other cool stuff to do in the states, but overseas, i'm actually able to pay for all that cool stuff and have money left over to put gas in my car and get a sixer of heineken.
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I think its called UCAV, and a cruise missile cant put eyes on target in real time. Undetected and unsuspected, this thing can loiter over hotspots for days, take care of business, then come home. The very thought of these things buzzing around should make the bad guys crawl under a rock, and if not, so much the better. In the long run, this is a cost efficient platform. Plus, it makes for a good bargaining tool. Any new thug on the block will have no idea what is already in his back yard.
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OK so we take the pilot out of the plane. Its practically just a good thing. This plane isn't autonomous. So it can't do anything a person doesn't tell it too. Radical maneuvers aren't the only thing you can do now by not having the pilot in the plane.

No cockpit enables the plane to be more stealthy. Flatter profile. No glass to see out needed. These simplify engineering and space needed. Most everything the pilot needs is no longer needed on that plane. Now a lot of long range bombers had the issue where the flights were so incredibly long that the pilots are exhausted and need to rotate duties. No longer a problem here. Mid flight you can switch out pilots. If they have a heart attack they can be taken care of and the flight isn't over (not likely but you get the point I'm driving at). This gives more sustainability to the mission. A lot more. Now communications don't have to be an issue. Need some info? Yell back behind you to the other guys in the office (again not that simple but you get the idea). The pilot doesn't have to be the one making all the last second decisions. Everyone there at the virtual cockpit can help make the calls as well.

Remember this plane is a bomber. Not a fighter. The lack of a pilot in the plane isn't as much of an issue with being able to see everywhere all at once

You guys are smart so you can come up with a lot better ideas than me I'm sure.
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Whether anyone likes it or not, This Is The Future :


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Next they'll C4 their UAV
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Dude.

The simple economic reality is that the US can't afford the super-power game anymore. Pick one. Police the world. Or having police, firefighters, ambulances, hospitals, paved roads,and education etc. We cannot afford both, not in the all-in spending that we do.
Simple economic reality is that no matter what your interpretation of the situation is, tens of thousands of lawmakers, military officials, and economists, are making this happen, or watching it happen and we don't exactly seem to be crashing and burning.

And I have news - We've been doing both for a long time. Just because your state law makers completely misuse appropriation funds and stuff things full of pork doesn't mean the U.S. is failing.

We're in a lot better state than we were in '09 and people still complain about this, really? The problem is lawmakers, not the dollar.


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There have been stories in the news lately of houses burning down and the firefighters did not come. The communities went to having a subscription-based firefighting coverage. There was no money to cover everything, and tax hikes to pay for things are political suicide.
That's how firefighting works in almost every county. How about you post that story. You know, where the guy lived outside the city boundary, refused to pay for the service, etc. Nothing to do with "too little money". If you're fifty miles away from city proper, why should the city blow an extra ten thousand a month to build lines to your house, conduct training and practice runs, etc.


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That is the reality. We want everything, and the only reason the US government is still running is because we keep expanding our debt limit. Latest projections is that the government will run out of money on its current debt limit in May--at which point we'll probably issue more loans to ourselves. Further devaluing our currency.

Everyone wants toys and services in the US. And no one wants to pay for them....or worry about how we'll pay for them.
The reality is you have a weak grasp of economics and use incorrect sources as a basis for your argument. Maybe you've just been fooled by all the inane talk going on between the media and mass-America. But I assure you, although the system is stressed, it's not failing by any means.

And who do you think is paying that debt, by the way? Other countries. Like China, Japan, etc. Who have not only a belief that the USD will rise in the future, but are willing to invest hundreds of billions, or trillions of dollars (Read: Their entire economy) in that belief.

Everyone wants to be entitled to everything. And they're given everything by their lawmakers because the lawmakers have no spine. Then they go th extra step of stuffing things full of pork, and have the GALL to blame everyone but themselves for waste. This even includes military "toys" - When the lawmakers decide they also need a project to do fifteen different things not included in the original plan. Oh, and make it environmental.

People need to hold themselves to stricter standards, and make their politicians do the same.


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Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig..._Massachusetts)

Man, I wonder how many people could have gotten healthcare for a $22B project that was un-needed, ended up killing people anyway, and made traffic worse. Thank god for an extra five or six miles of highway.
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That thing sorta looks like a WW2-era Me 262...

I think it looks like an ME 163 or the prototype Go 229/Ho 229:


ME 163



Go 229


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