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post #21 of 25
Speed is all relative. A 2ms TN is certainly faster than say 8ms IPS. Your eye sees thing at a rate of roughly 30ms frames. INPUT lag is what needs to be looked at. Not the hype that is refresh rate. Either way to pull off 120Hz you'd need a refresh of about 8.3ms.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by anoob View Post


But OP, this is going to be your best bet if you want to find a 120HZ IPS.

http://www.pcmonitors.org/news/a-120...monitor-really

But it will cost you like $1,400 . Even then you will have to acquire it through Japan and then pay for importation/duty taxes because it's over like the $200 something limit. So maybe like $2,000? Not worth it. Some of the IPS panels have a function in it called overdrive. Mine has it, I can push the screen to 75HZ but at only certain resolutions in the advanced option menu which is hidden away from regular users. Even then you will not notice a difference between 60HZ and 75HZ because the jump in HZ is not significant enough for you to realize that it is there. The jump in frequency between two frequency points has to be great enough for you to be able to distinguish between the two. This is why many can tell the difference between 60HZ and 120HZ because the gap distance is greater than the 15HZ from a 60HZ frequency to a 75HZ frequency.

So I have no idea what you want to do because there isn't a whole lot of options out there. But like the article mentioned, you would get too much artifacting from overdrive trying to push 120HZ on a IPS panel because that is twice the normal frequency of its operating range. Like you, I was hoping 120HZ IPS would be something of reality but I kind of doubted and stopped waiting for it to happen because it most likely won't happen. OLED is still going to be far better and is already being released on many smart phone devices and even MP3 players. So why would they go backwards and spend the time to improve IPS and push it to 120HZ when they already have OLED? To me that just doesn't make sense.
And that isn't even true 120hz
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Any TV that uses active shutter glasses requires the ability to accept a 120Hz input signal as I understand it. This is mainly Samsung's territory from what I can recall, and I doubt they've gone as far as to use TN panels to accomplish that.
I doubt the TV is true 120Hz, they all most likely use interpolation like the article I posted earlier. But many high end TV sets do use VA and IPS panels but they still don't offer true 120Hz. Look at what LG and Samsung have:

TruMotionâ„¢
Auto Motion Plus 120Hzâ„¢


This is what they call their 120Hz technology, good marketing is what I call it . If they did have true 120Hz and IPS wouldn't you think we would have that on computer monitors by now? But regardless of that it still does not meet the OP's criteria of higher than 2048x1152 resolution, bigger than 24" and less than 30", must have 120Hz, and must also be IPS panel. HDTV's use interpolation and claim the 120Hz tag, but they do use IPS and VA panels, but the resolution is only 16:9 sporting 1920x1080 best case scenario, and lowest screen size is like 32". So it doesn't meet the requirements. But don't confuse computer monitor technology with TV monitor technology as they're not exactly the same. The true 120Hz TN monitor panels can accept, display, and refresh at 120Hz consistently. Can't say the same for TV as they're not designed to specifically work with computers. So I doubt they can accept a 120Hz source from a videocard and display that with a 120Hz refresh rate unless you know of a TV that no one else knows about.

My guess is still going to be that all HDTV's that claim they do 120Hz use interpolation to fill in the gaps with more frames to make things look fluid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation

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And that isn't even true 120hz
Yes, I know that but the OP isn't going to get anywhere closer than that. Best case scenario the OP will sacrifice resolution for IPS + Interpolation for some kind of HDTV like this. Otherwise give up on 120Hz and just get an IPS monitor. That's why I recommend to just wait for OLED. If you haven't seen one of those AMOLED screens yet they're amazing. The clarity, sharpness, brightness, resolution, and crispness of text is excellent. I couldn't believe how clearly I could read very small text on the Samsung Captivate. If you have a friend or know anyone who owns the Android OS based Samsung Captivate ask them to see the screen. It looks way better than LCD, go look at an iPhone and then look at the Samsung Captivate screen. You'd be like screw this, I want the phone with the AMOLED screen.
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Sometimes ghosting is good for games where you can't really make out anything because it's going too fast. I don't know when that's happened before though.
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I doubt the TV is true 120Hz, they all most likely use interpolation like the article I posted earlier. But many high end TV sets do use VA and IPS panels but they still don't offer true 120Hz. Look at what LG and Samsung have:

TruMotionâ„¢
Auto Motion Plus 120Hzâ„¢


This is what they call their 120Hz technology, good marketing is what I call it . If they did have true 120Hz and IPS wouldn't you think we would have that on computer monitors by now?
Yes, I'm well aware of the marketing gimmick that most TV's use.

Samsung and I think Mitsubishi are the only ones making televisions that use active shutter glasses. The way I understand it, the TV itself has to display two different images for the glasses to cancel out, which seems to me means that the TV itself should be running at 120Hz. I suppose it's possible that the TV only runs at 30Hz per eye, or that the manufacturers in question are using TN panels. I haven't been able to confirm either scenario however.

As for your last question, it most likely hasn't been done because of the market they'd have to cater to. We're probably looking at $500+ for even a 22" e-IPS 120Hz panel, a rather prohibitive cost in most people's eyes. The people spending that much or more on monitors that size tend to be graphic professionals who can make the money back on the purchase without a problem, not to mention write it off on their taxes, and they don't care about 120Hz.
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