Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Water cooling performance question
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Water cooling performance question - Page 2

post #11 of 16
Water cooling performs better than a heat pipe cooler (D14 is close)

You can't rig a D14 and water cool it.

Your dad is right, but for the amount of heatpipe needed to match the heat disappation of a radiator, it's not reasonable.

In SERVERS, heatpipes are better.

in a PC, if you can afford a nice water cooling loop, that is the better option
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedNuggeT View Post
Water cooling performs better than a heat pipe cooler (D14 is close)

You can't rig a D14 and water cool it.

Your dad is right, but for the amount of heatpipe needed to match the heat disappation of a radiator, it's not reasonable.

In SERVERS, heatpipes are better.

in a PC, if you can afford a nice water cooling loop, that is the better option
Okay, why wouldn't I be able to cool a D14 (assuming I can build the housing). What are we talking as far as unreasonable? If a D14 can come close to a water loop with (6?) small heat pipes, then wouldn't 6 or 12 larger heat pipes do the job? I have some samples from a chinese company that my dad works with made out of what looks like 1/2 inch copper pipe.
edit: heat pipes are used in some pretty crazy applications. It is hard to imagine that 200watts from a CPU maxes out the solution.
To SpeedNugget: Why do heat pipes work better for servers and water cooling for PCs? I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction.
Edited by imblind - 2/8/11 at 3:31am
Light Websurfing
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3.3GHz i7 5820K MSI X99A SLI PLUS MSI GTX 970 Gaming 100ME 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
1TB Samsung EVO 850 500GB Samsung EVO 840 ASUS DVD Burner Noctua DH-15S 
OSMonitorMonitorPower
Windows 10 Pro, Full Seiki Pro 40" 4K Samsung Syncmaster 2693HM EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS 80+ GOLD 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i7-4710HQ Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 Nvidia 870m 16 DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
3x 128GB SSD 1TB HDD Windows 8.1 Samsung Syncmaster 24" 
Mouse
Raxer Taipan 
  hide details  
Reply
Light Websurfing
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3.3GHz i7 5820K MSI X99A SLI PLUS MSI GTX 970 Gaming 100ME 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
1TB Samsung EVO 850 500GB Samsung EVO 840 ASUS DVD Burner Noctua DH-15S 
OSMonitorMonitorPower
Windows 10 Pro, Full Seiki Pro 40" 4K Samsung Syncmaster 2693HM EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS 80+ GOLD 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i7-4710HQ Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 Nvidia 870m 16 DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
3x 128GB SSD 1TB HDD Windows 8.1 Samsung Syncmaster 24" 
Mouse
Raxer Taipan 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by imblind View Post
Okay, why wouldn't I be able to cool a D14 (assuming I can build the housing). What are we talking as far as unreasonable? If a D14 can come close to a water loop with (6?) small heat pipes, then wouldn't 6 or 12 larger heat pipes do the job? I have some samples from a chinese company that my dad works with made out of what looks like 1/2 inch copper pipe.
edit: heat pipes are used in some pretty crazy applications. It is hard to imagine that 200watts from a CPU maxes out the solution.
To SpeedNugget: Why do heat pipes work better for servers and water cooling for PCs? I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction.
I know what you're thinking of, waterblock + heatpipe cooler design. The idea is not something new, but someone already beat you to it:

Thermaltake CL-W0092

But yes, your dad is right that heat pipe cooling is superior but for it to be better than water cooling you would also have to increase the size or amount of the pipes, thus increasing its surface area and its heat dissipation properties. I'm sure you have seen Noctua's and Cooler Master's mounted. They take up a considerable amount of space making them impractical when you need to make them larger and larger for cooling. They also protrude out enough to block DIMM slots and can't be easily mounted on certain motherboards because of capacitors. It makes it an impractical application when applied to normal computer cases.

I thought this idea was cool too back in like 2007 when I first got into water cooling at the XS boards:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=149856

Look at this thing, it's a monster! This is without the fans mounted. Now imagine you need to make one to cool two videocards. Impractical compared to standard watercooling.



Or maybe something like this:


http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...eat-pipes.html

Oh and by the way I know what a heat pipe is . If anyone wants to know they can just read this but water still has more surface area to dissipate heat when traveling inside of a radiator.
Skylake Is Here!
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700K Batch #L535B021 4.7Ghz @ 1.296V GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 EVGA Geforce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0+ G.SKILL TridentZ 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB  Crucial BX100 250 GB SanDisk SSDPlus 240 GB NZXT Kraken X61  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 & 10 Dell UltraSharp 2913WM 21:9 2560x1080 Ducky Shine 4, CODE WASD, Deck Legend, G710+ EVGA SuperNova G2 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Mid-Tower Ducky Secret SteelSeries Fostex Purple Heart TH-X00 
Audio
AKG K553 Pro, Philips SHP9500, Superlux 668B, S... 
  hide details  
Reply
Skylake Is Here!
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700K Batch #L535B021 4.7Ghz @ 1.296V GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 EVGA Geforce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0+ G.SKILL TridentZ 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB  Crucial BX100 250 GB SanDisk SSDPlus 240 GB NZXT Kraken X61  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 & 10 Dell UltraSharp 2913WM 21:9 2560x1080 Ducky Shine 4, CODE WASD, Deck Legend, G710+ EVGA SuperNova G2 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Mid-Tower Ducky Secret SteelSeries Fostex Purple Heart TH-X00 
Audio
AKG K553 Pro, Philips SHP9500, Superlux 668B, S... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anoob View Post
I know what you're thinking of, waterblock + heatpipe cooler design. The idea is not something new, but someone already beat you to it:

Thermaltake CL-W0092

But yes, your dad is right that heat pipe cooling is superior but for it to be better than water cooling you would also have to increase the size or amount of the pipes, thus increasing its surface area and its heat dissipation properties. I'm sure you have seen Noctua's and Cooler Master's mounted. They take up a considerable amount of space making them impractical when you need to make them larger and larger for cooling. They also protrude out enough to block DIMM slots and can't be easily mounted on certain motherboards because of capacitors. It makes it an impractical application when applied to normal computer cases.

I thought this idea was cool too back in like 2007 when I first got into water cooling at the XS boards:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=149856

Look at this thing, it's a monster! This is without the fans mounted. Now imagine you need to make one to cool two videocards. Impractical compared to standard watercooling.



Or maybe something like this:


http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...eat-pipes.html

Oh and by the way I know what a heat pipe is . If anyone wants to know they can just read this but water still has more surface area to dissipate heat when traveling inside of a radiator.
Thanks for the info! Sorry if my above post is confusing, I really wasn't referring to you when I said that some people had heat pipes confused.

Edit: I still can't tell if this would be a good idea though. In the best of all possible worlds, wouldn't this cool better if it could be gotten to work? It also has some advantages, for instance you can water cool your processor from a seperate water cooled chamber instead of having to put the block directly on the motherboard.
Edited by imblind - 2/8/11 at 8:40pm
Light Websurfing
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3.3GHz i7 5820K MSI X99A SLI PLUS MSI GTX 970 Gaming 100ME 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
1TB Samsung EVO 850 500GB Samsung EVO 840 ASUS DVD Burner Noctua DH-15S 
OSMonitorMonitorPower
Windows 10 Pro, Full Seiki Pro 40" 4K Samsung Syncmaster 2693HM EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS 80+ GOLD 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i7-4710HQ Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 Nvidia 870m 16 DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
3x 128GB SSD 1TB HDD Windows 8.1 Samsung Syncmaster 24" 
Mouse
Raxer Taipan 
  hide details  
Reply
Light Websurfing
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3.3GHz i7 5820K MSI X99A SLI PLUS MSI GTX 970 Gaming 100ME 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
1TB Samsung EVO 850 500GB Samsung EVO 840 ASUS DVD Burner Noctua DH-15S 
OSMonitorMonitorPower
Windows 10 Pro, Full Seiki Pro 40" 4K Samsung Syncmaster 2693HM EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS 80+ GOLD 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i7-4710HQ Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 Nvidia 870m 16 DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
3x 128GB SSD 1TB HDD Windows 8.1 Samsung Syncmaster 24" 
Mouse
Raxer Taipan 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 16
My experience with water cooling is that good air cooling (heat pipes with good air flow) is just as effective. The real benefit with water cooling is less noise. You can run slower fans over a larger surface area. I suppose if you could get/make a heat pipe with a large enough surface area it could be just as quiet. But, as others have said, now you have to fit it in the case ... or maybe not , sounds like a fun project!
Cooling Tower
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8300 @ 4.8GHz Sabertooth 990FX R9 270 8Gig G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1TB Samsung F3 LG DVD custom water Win 10 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer 23.6" Acer 20" Logitech Elite Corsair HX520 
CaseMouseAudio
Lian Li Rocketfish G5 Lexicon & Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
Cooling Tower
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8300 @ 4.8GHz Sabertooth 990FX R9 270 8Gig G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1TB Samsung F3 LG DVD custom water Win 10 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer 23.6" Acer 20" Logitech Elite Corsair HX520 
CaseMouseAudio
Lian Li Rocketfish G5 Lexicon & Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 16
Correct me if im wrong, but both are essentially the same thing, but the pump in watercooling keeps the flow going forcing new, cooler water to the CPU at all times. With heatpipes, the liquid coming from the top heatsinks are still somewhat warm. For water, its cooled down significantly from the radiators.
The Beast
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1090T 4.2GHz Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 MSI Twin Frozr III 6950 2gb 8GB (2x4GB) GSkill Ripjaws 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB, 2TB ASUS DVD/CD RW Windows 7 3x HP 2311x 
PowerCase
XFX 750W AzzA Hurrican 2000 
  hide details  
Reply
The Beast
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1090T 4.2GHz Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 MSI Twin Frozr III 6950 2gb 8GB (2x4GB) GSkill Ripjaws 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB, 2TB ASUS DVD/CD RW Windows 7 3x HP 2311x 
PowerCase
XFX 750W AzzA Hurrican 2000 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Water cooling performance question