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Scrap the GPU and go for a 5450 for smooth video playback. Or even a 4770 or something cheap. I don't recommended on-board video, just because it can slow Win7 down.
Also no need for 12 gigs like everyone else has said. 6 is most likely plenty.

spend the money and RAID 0 some SSDs. maybe two 120GB SSDs in Raid0.
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@kennyparker1337 that looks really solid, i will change the the harddrives. for the spin point ones, i keep getting recommended for those are they really that great? also as for the other parts i had a lot of trouble because i needed the pc to be small, be specified that the smaller the better. thus the matx stuff and no aftermarket cooler
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Scrap the GPU and go for a 5450 for smooth video playback. Or even a 4770 or something cheap. I don't recommended on-board video, just because it can slow Win7 down.
Also no need for 12 gigs like everyone else has said. 6 is most likely plenty.

spend the money and RAID 0 some SSDs. maybe two 120GB SSDs in Raid0.
whats the likelihood of a ssd dying?
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If he really wants speedy -- 2x 64GB Crucial C300's in raid 0 for OS. 2x 1TB WD Caviar Blacks for data. 6GB of 1,333MHz-1,600MHz RAM (speed differences won't make any difference in performance in this scenario so why waste money on 2,000+MHz RAM?). Core i7 970 processor. ASUS Rampage III motherboard.

That's what I would build
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I've never used Spinpoint or whatever they're called, but for me, the WD Cavair Blacks have been great. If you want more transfer, opt for the SATA III, (the motherboard has to support it) and don't forget to purchase SATA III cables.

Also, again against the recommendations of everybody, I suggest NOT to go with RAID 0 with SSDs, for the simple fact that I am 100% sure he WILL NOT use it to it's fullest potential. Again, a lot of users on this forum are not running that configuration, and I'm sure we're more of a power user than he is.

Again, what I feel people should understand is that, just because the guy's budget is 1900$ DOES NOT mean you have to go up to 1900$. I can spec a great build for much less than that. I think what you've got is good enough, you can even cut out the SSD and do three 1TB drives and go RAID 5 (which is basically RAID 0+1).

Also, are you getting a dedicated RAID controller? If not, I suggest scrapping the second 1TB drive, and opting for an external drive with a simple robocopy script to copy files over to it. Then set up a Windows schedule to run it every so often. That way he can save more money.

There are countless ways to do things, the more expensive way isn't always the best.

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whats the likelihood of a ssd dying?
Not that great from what I hear. Should outlast HDDs if that's what you're wondering. No moving parts, so no mechanical failure. Just wear only.
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I've never used Spinpoint or whatever they're called, but for me, the WD Cavair Blacks have been great. If you want more transfer, opt for the SATA III, (the motherboard has to support it) and don't forget to purchase SATA III cables.
I would advise against wasting money on SATA III HDDs. They don't come anywhere close to SATA II limit. The only extra thing they provide is higher cost. If you're going to spend money on SATA III traditional hard disk drives, you're not thinking clearly. SATA II SSDs blow any hdd out of the water SATA II or SATA III. Money much better spent.
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Scrap the GPU and go for a 5450 for smooth video playback. Or even a 4770 or something cheap. I don't recommended on-board video, just because it can slow Win7 down.
Also no need for 12 gigs like everyone else has said. 6 is most likely plenty.

spend the money and RAID 0 some SSDs. maybe two 120GB SSDs in Raid0.
Not that the rig so far isn't overkill, but that wouldn't that really be pushing it over the edge?

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whats the likelihood of a ssd dying?
IIRC, about the same as a HDD--though there aren't mechanical pieces to go wrong, the overall lifespan of a SSD is about the same as a HDD.

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If you want more transfer, opt for the SATA III, (the motherboard has to support it) and don't forget to purchase SATA III cables.

Also, again against the recommendations of everybody, I suggest NOT to go with RAID 0 with SSDs, for the simple fact that I am 100% sure he WILL NOT use it to it's fullest potential. Again, a lot of users on this forum are not running that configuration, and I'm sure we're more of a power user than he is.

Again, what I feel people should understand is that, just because the guy's budget is 1900$ DOES NOT mean you have to go up to 1900$.
There is no difference between SATA II and "SATA III" cables--they're electrically identical and support the same speeds.

Agreed, RAID0 with SSD's will likely be a waste and not at all realized.

Re. the price--the OP stated that the guy wanted a computer for $1900--no more and no less. I wouldn't doubt that we could build a nearly identically-performing rig for only $1k, but it seems like the person asking for the build wants a benchmark for what a $1900 machine can do since that's what he's always spent on his previous computers.
    
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I would advise against wasting money on SATA III HDDs. They don't come anywhere close to SATA II limit. The only extra thing they provide is higher cost. If you're going to spend money on SATA III traditional hard disk drives, you're not thinking clearly. SATA II SSDs blow any hdd out of the water SATA II or SATA III. Money much better spent.
Umm, this is coming from someone who is saying to RAID two SSDs? The cost associated with a SATA III drive is nothing compared to an SSD. The 1TB Cavair Black drive is 20$ more for SATA III. I was making a point that one could always go for the faster SATA III, no that much performance would be seen. If it was up to me I would reconfigure the entire build because I still believe that's too much for a user.
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Not that the rig so far isn't overkill, but that wouldn't that really be pushing it over the edge?



IIRC, about the same as a HDD--though there aren't mechanical pieces to go wrong, the overall lifespan of a SSD is about the same as a HDD.



There is no difference between SATA II and "SATA III" cables--they're electrically identical and support the same speeds.

Agreed, RAID0 with SSD's will likely be a waste and not at all realized.

Re. the price--the OP stated that the guy wanted a computer for $1900--no more and no less. I wouldn't doubt that we could build a nearly identically-performing rig for only $1k, but it seems like the person asking for the build wants a benchmark for what a $1900 machine can do since that's what he's always spent on his previous computers.
Thanks for that clarification, I was not aware that SATA II cables and SATA III cables are the same. I thought they were like the difference between USB 2.0 and USB 3.0, backwards compatible but not speedwise.

To answer you second post, my eyes I guess fly right past that part haha. I've always believed in the best build for the user and not for the money, but I guess I'm different. Just trying to save some people some $$$.
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Umm, this is coming from someone who is saying to RAID two SSDs? The cost associated with a SATA III drive is nothing compared to an SSD. The 1TB Cavair Black drive is 20$ more for SATA III. I was making a point that one could always go for the faster SATA III, no that much performance would be seen. If it was up to me I would reconfigure the entire build because I still believe that's too much for a user.
But if saving money is your justification, SATA III Caviar Blacks are still a waste because there will be no performance increase going from SATA II to SATA III -- traditional hard drives don't benefit from SATA III's speeds because they don't come close to maxing out SATA II spec. With that said, why spend any money on SATA III at all?

If the guy was doing any large file transfers back and forth, you would certainly notice some speed improvements with SSDs in RAID0. Will this particular guy? Probably not. But that's not what the OP asked for. He wanted a $1900 system and i'll be damned, I'll spend every last cent.
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But if saving money is your justification, SATA III Caviar Blacks are still a waste because there will be no performance increase going from SATA II to SATA III -- traditional hard drives don't benefit from SATA III's speeds because they don't come close to maxing out SATA II spec. With that said, why spend any money on SATA III at all?

If the guy was doing any large file transfers back and forth, you would certainly notice some speed improvements with SSDs in RAID0. Will this particular guy? Probably not. But that's not what the OP asked for. He wanted a $1900 system and i'll be damned, I'll spend every last cent.
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