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Some months ago i bought a new case (Antec 1200) , a new Graphic card, a new cpu heatsink and some fans. I have installed all , but, as i have to clean the dust from it (as i have left it open some time) , i decided to dismantle all , clean it , and arrange the wires better.

I use the computer mostly for 3d modelling (Maya 2011) and CG,photography and games mostly (although since the changes i didn't almost nothing of that,because some problems and no time).

Actually my airflow is something like this, or well, exactly this:



So I have three 120mm front fans pushing air into the case , two 120mm back fans pulling air from the case and one big 200 mm top fan pulling air from the case also.

Also, I have in front of the Graphic card a 120 mm fan pushing air to the small fan of the card.

This fan, i don't know if is a scythe 25 mm or a ultra kaze 3000 (38 mm),i'm not sure, i think could be 38mm , but i will confirm it in some hours (when being at home jeje)


As cpu heatsink i have a Scythe Mugen 2 , with in both right , and left sides of it (like in the image) a 120 mm / 25 mm fan, one pushing air into the heatsink, and the another pulling the air from the heatsink to the back fans.

But those two, although both are 120 mm / 25 mm wide , one is a Scythe Slipstream fan ( SY1225SL12M,68.54 CFM,1200 rpm),and the other is a tacens one from my old case , but i don't now anything more (once dismantled it i could know more).


Would be better to only have the scythe installed ?

Or install a Scythe ultra kaze 3000 (3000 rpm,133,60CFM) in the left side (as in the right side it collides with the memory), pulling air throw the heatsink ?


I have two ultra kaze 3000 not used at this moment.


There is also the possibility of installing a 120mm fan in the lid , pushing the air to the heatsink and area. (not used at this moment).

If the tacens is not finally used , i could put it in the lid , perhaps (the ultra kaze , 38 mm is too wide to fit in the lid bracket)


By the moment i can't buy anything , so i have to use those fans i have , but in a future i can buy new material .


I have heard that a push-push method is better than a push-pull , is true ?

Change the orientation of the back fans , so instead of pulling , make them pussing air to the case , could result in a better airflow ?

(having 3 front and 2 back intake fans , and only the big 200 mm top pulling air outside the case.)


Finaly , i will post some data extracted from the case manual about the colling system of it (with cfm data also)


Frontal and rear fans

The Twelve Hundred comes with three front 120 x 25mm TriCool fans
which are pre-installed in front of each HDD cage, so the air will be blown into the case.

There are also two 120 x 25mm TriCool fans preinstalled at the rear of the
case. The fans are installed so the air will be blown out of the case.

Each fan (either front or rear fans) have a three-speed switch that lets you choose between quiet, performance, or maximum cooling. (Low, medium or high speed)

The lowest speed is 1200 rpm while the highest speed is 2000 rpm.


120mm Fan Specifications:
Size: 120 x 25mm TriCool Fan

SpeedAir Flow

High
2000 RPM 79 CFM

Medium
1600 RPM56 CFM

Low
1200 RPM39 CFM



Top fan

The Twelve Hundred comes with a Big Boy 200mm fan.This fan has a three-speed switch that lets you choose the speed best suited to your need, the default fan speed setting is Low.


Fan Specifications:
Speed Air Flow

High
800 RPM 134 CFM

Medium
600 RPM 108 CFM

Low
400 RPM 82 CFM


The Optional Fans

There are two optional 120mm fan mounts,the side fan (on the left side panel) and the middle fan (at the rear end of the HDD cage).


The Side Fan

The side fan opening is there to enhance graphics card cooling.
Just snap a fan into the bracket on the side panel so that it blows air into the case.


The Middle Fan

The middle fan is designed to cool the CPU, graphics card or the
power supply, depending on which drive bays you install the HDD cage into.

You can use the middle fan on any drive cage you do NOT install hard drives in.
Edited by whitewolf573 - 2/8/11 at 4:26am
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I found the fans on Antec 1200 case quite loud when on max speed. The Ultra Kaze 3000rpm will be VERY loud. You would benefit more having a side fan and middle fan both 25mm thickness that having 1 38mm UK3K at the middle. I recommend Scythe GT fans for both the middle and side fans.

Apart from that the case comes equip with plenty of air flow so i wouldn't be worrying too much about airflow problems.
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I really want to chew on this and help but quite frankly I'm not 100% sure what it is that your objective is. You've got a chip that came out at the beginning of 07 and a case that I can, from what I can tell, ventilate a cigar lounge in a brothel. If what you're looking for is confirmation that your current configuration is fine, yes- it's fine. The air appears to be moving in the same direction.

Do you want to turn the rear fans around? No.
Is a 38mm fan going to draw more air than a 25mm? Generally- yes... by a long shot- but the UK is really loud in the 3k variety. Do you need that trumpet in there because it's going to flow a couple extra CFM? If you were going to be hammering your chip with an overclock the two UK3Ks might be an option... they're GREAT fans and will push pull more than just about any other fan out there... but the NOISE?! Argh- it pains me to even think about it- but maybe that's what you want.

You seem a bit OCD about this whole fan thing... and yet you don't mention anything about your temps and why all the fuss. I'll take a guess that you have no temp issues at all right now anyway...

If you were to say that you had all the above and you were at stock speed on your CPU and for SOME REASON your core temps were still in the 90s... okay, let's take this apart and look at it.

As it is right now, by the time I've scrolled to the bottom to answer a question I've forgotten what the question is. By the time I've scrolled back up I've forgotten what I'm looking for.

As it is- nice graph. Hopefully some other folks find it useful because it's a good demonstration of how it should be
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Your setup is fine. Throw on a side fan (intake) and maybe the HDD cage fan and you should get better temps, but they must be fine as is.

Also, maybe think about replacing the tri-cool case fans with units that are more quiet and have more cfms.
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I found the fans on Antec 1200 case quite loud when on max speed. The Ultra Kaze 3000rpm will be VERY loud. You would benefit more having a side fan and middle fan both 25mm thickness that having 1 38mm UK3K at the middle. I recommend Scythe GT fans for both the middle and side fans.
I was mostly worried with the grafic card, although i don't see very high temps (i didn't use it too much anyway) ,I have read that it gets quite hot.

I am not sure , but as i am a bit worried about the card temps , is pretty possible that i have a 38 mm in the middle.

As i hear music when using the pc , i don't usually hear the loudness , but is true that is quite.But i can bear it mostly. (and not allways i have all fans at max).

Quote:
I really want to chew on this and help but quite frankly I'm not 100% sure what it is that your objective is.
I was a bit worried about what i have been hearing about the high temps of the new geforce GTX 470, and i wanted to be sure,that i was doing all correct, to try have not too high graphic card temps.

The cpu , is quite old , compared to a i7 , but have in the heatsink two different fans , i though could be a problem and make some type of turbulence.

Also , in the scythe forum someone said that a push-push configuration was better , so once wanted to ask some things , i decided to ask also that.

But i see is not a good idea to change it.

Quote:
If what you're looking for is confirmation that your current configuration is fine, yes- it's fine. The air appears to be moving in the same direction.
, ok. So also of the middle fan (that perhaps is a UK 3000) , adding a 120 mm / 25 mm fan to the lid , although shouldn't hurt, as the air would be pulled directly to the card,ram and that area, it would be a bit unnecessary.


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Is a 38mm fan going to draw more air than a 25mm? Generally- yes... by a long shot- but the UK is really loud in the 3k variety.

Do you need that trumpet in there because it's going to flow a couple extra CFM? If you were going to be hammering your chip with an overclock the two UK3Ks might be an option... they're GREAT fans and will push pull more than just about any other fan out there... but the NOISE?! Argh- it pains me to even think about it- but maybe that's what you want.
So in the case of the heatsink leave it with a 25 mm fan only, for example in the right pulling air to it, and the 25mm tacens one in the lid perhaps, if that is not bad for the airflow.

Perhaps if the card gets a bit hot , in the middle i could use one UK 3000 (although i think i did bought 3 , and one is in the middle, already).


Quote:
You seem a bit OCD about this whole fan thing... and yet you don't mention anything about your temps and why all the fuss. I'll take a guess that you have no temp issues at all right now anyway...

If you were to say that you had all the above and you were at stock speed on your CPU and for SOME REASON your core temps were still in the 90s... okay, let's take this apart and look at it.
Yes , i think i was too much worried with fans,overflow,etc but all was mostly because, again , that card, very good , but quite hot.

Quote:
As it is- nice graph. Hopefully some other folks find it useful because it's a good demonstration of how it should be.
Thanks . This post helped me mostly to confirm what mostly i new and clarify somethings , i hope this will help others too.
Edited by whitewolf573 - 2/8/11 at 5:22am
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Wow nice schematic...I have close to the same set up except for a 120 down where your grill is by the PSU. Nice work!!!
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Wow nice schematic...I have close to the same set up except for a 120 down where your grill is by the PSU. Nice work!!!
So instead of the grille,or above it,you have a 120 mm fan.Pushing air into the case ?
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As in the Antec 1200 you can change the speed of the fans,this lets you to play with the cfm and quite easy,either have a negative or positive pressure,depending what you do.But I should not for example put all fans to maximum, as this could make a negative pressure , and perhaps I don't want that, no?

(I can do it,but perhaps the effect of doing that is not what I want)

I'll take look to this thing of Negative/positive pressure.

Apart of that,I could have more airflow in the top than in the rear,or viceversa, with the possible consecuences,but nothing would happen.

And respecting to the middle and heatsink fans , should that fans have some specific cfm depending in the cfm of the rear and front fans ?

I ask this because I have read that the fan of the heatsink should have the same cfm that have the other fans , or the total amount of cfm of the,for example,three frontal fans.

I have remembered that my tacens fan is from an old heatsink,and has a speed regulator. But i have to search for the speed / cfm range,yet.
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IMHO just leave the case fans as it as. You will barely notice the difference by adding more fans to it.
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put same fans on CPU...while first is pushing more air, second cant pull all that air and there you have not that good airflow through CPU heatsink.
or at least switch them so fan which will pull the air has higher RPM - same as D14 - front fan has less airflow than middle
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