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Ivy Bridge myth-conceptions:
It's the Socket 2011 version of Sandy Bridge. WRONG. It's the 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge launching on all Intel platforms.
20% performance gain. Remains to be seen, I'll bet say, 5% of that will be clock for clock whereas a lot of it will be due to higher stock clocks, that's the way it was for Penryn. (Note: For 1155 the performance gain will be greater due to adding more cores)
    
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Welcome to 2011 computing then....

Yes I was speaking from the perspective of 1366 as a comparison, but when you start doing the math in Price vs Performance, Sandy Bridge makes good sense vs a Pentium Dual Core / Core 2 Duo / Core 2 Quad... I'm not saying it's NOT a viable choice it is, FOR NOW...

And when Bulldozer becomes a viable choice, you STILL won't be wrong for making your choice, not even remotely...

What I am saying is, why go to SB when Bulldozer is around the corner though? Does that sound idiotic?

LGA 2011 is coming too, as stated above, but will it beat Bulldozer that bad?

That I would have to see...

NEVERTHELESS, I'm good for another year or two with my rig...

Like I said before, keep cranking what you got, watch to see what falls down the line, and LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP..... Bad advice?
To start off, your rig is more than fine for more than 2 years, especially if you care about gaming, because that 760 will be remain a great CPU down the road.

Now that we got that off the way, what about if someone sells their LGA 1366 stuff, and moves to Sandy Bridge, at practically no cost? Is that too idiotic?

They will have a faster CPU at stock speeds, with increased IPC and NEW architecture, and more importantly, AMAZING OC capability, which clearly blows anything away.

So, if you add all of those factors together, with Sandy Bridge, you end up with a significantly superior product.

And if your logic of waiting for the next thing were true, no one would ever upgrade to anything, because there's always something around the corner.

And to be honest, Bulldozer most likely will be competing with LGA 1156 and LGA 1366 quads. Maybe the 8 core versions will compete with Sandy bridge... I don't know.


But AMD has a lot to do.
Edited by PanicProne - 2/8/11 at 2:34pm
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And the Sandy Bridge hate still goes on... Really?

What's the matter with all this people? It's like Sandy Bridge killed all their families or something.

GET OVER IT. It's faster and better than LGA 1366.
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A 980x at 3.5ghz (rumored bd clock) will be around 50% faster than a 950 as well... More cores tends to do that.
It would be nice if Bulldozer can deliver this, and if it does we can expect there to be an ensuing price war, wouldn't you agree?
Edited by _GTech - 2/8/11 at 2:53pm
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Not sure. If amd would for some reason step out of the desktop scene, intel would lose its competition, therefor they could cut all of the prices in half if they wanted, cause intel would have been the only option for consumers.

kind of logical i guess.
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Not sure, if amd would for some reason step out of the desktop scene, intel would lose its competition, therefor they could cut all of the prices in half if they wanted, cause intel would have been the only option for consumers.
The exact opposite would happen.

With Intel holding the monopoly, they could pull any price they wanted. And if you thought it was too expensive, well, too bad, they would be your ONLY choice. You don't want that. Do you?

You better pray AMD comes up with a decent line of CPUs.
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The exact opposite would happen.

With Intel holding the monopoly, they could pull any price they wanted. And if you thought it was too expensive, well, too bad, they would be your ONLY choice. You don't want that. Do you?

You better pray AMD comes up with a decent line of CPUs.
Could be, would have been funny if amd would step back in, lets say; 3 months later, with some cpu that matches intels top and it would differ 300,- usd.

Amd: Suprise! , intel:
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To start off, your rig is more than fine for more than 2 years, especially if you care about gaming, because that 760 will be remain a great CPU down the road.

Now that we got that off the way, what about if someone sells their LGA 1366 stuff, and moves to Sandy Bridge, at practically no cost? Is that too idiotic?
Assuming they sell at new retail value? If they have to take a huge loss for the nominal gains (At Stock mind you), then why make the switch eh?

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They will have a faster CPU at stock speeds, with increased IPC and NEW architecture, and more importantly, AMAZING OC capability, which clearly blows anything away.
Blows anything away? Is this 100% true?

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So, if you add all of those factors together, with Sandy Bridge, you end up with a significantly superior product.
Are you even considering Cost Vs Performance Vs Other CPUs Cost Vs Performance??? Price / Watt has no significance either?

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And if your logic of waiting for the next thing were true, no one would ever upgrade to anything, because there's always something around the corner.
Waiting for the best upgrade with great performance increase which are warranted by the cost of the upgrade is the idea here, not waiting and waiting..

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And to be honest, Bulldozer most likely will be competing with LGA 1156 and LGA 1366 quads. Maybe the 8 core versions will compete with Sandy bridge... I don't know.

But AMD has a lot to do.
Done deal, Architect is done, it's either bring it, or go home a loser! More or less... They have to BEAT Sandy Bridge, or they will definitely be in the losers bracket, unless they plan to sell Bulldozer for $250!!! <<Not Gonna Happen!!! (And if so, can they afford that?)

=============

Hypothetically speaking, let's say Bulldozer performs close to SB i7, but doesn't quite beat it...

1) Now it's all about the price at the Initial Offering... (If it's price is low enough, then there will be A LOT of people migrating to AMD)
2) If AMD doesn't OC well, then they will completely lose the Enthusiast market... (Who else is going to buy a $250 - $450 CPU?? EH?)

Let's take another scenario where, Bulldozer Outperforms SB i7 & OC's @ 5 GHz on air or better... (Unlikely?)

1) Intel will be scrambling to find an answer FAST!!! (And if AMD has a lower initial price offering they will be going for Intel's Throat!!**)
2) If Intel doesn't counter Deliver with Ivy Bridge or LGA 2011 then AMD will be holding the crown!!! (This is a good thing mind you!!)

Worst case scenario, if Bulldozer is awesome, is AMD doesn't make it cheap, but if it beats the i7 SB CPU, I won't be disappointed if it has great performance! Provided the price isn't nostalgic..

**Claiming mnay market shares of Intel's customers...
Edited by _GTech - 2/8/11 at 2:52pm
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You're gonna have to show me where a 2600k is equal to a fully utilised 980x.... don't cherry pick either.

I call bull****.
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Nowhere, lol. If the 980x has all the threads utilized, the 2600k certainly loses.






























Do I get a cookie? I said the 2600K is *around* the same performance as a 980x, and yes there are a few benchmarks were the 980x stomps the 2600k and vise versa...Which is why I said they are around the same. But in most cases, the 2600k is ahead.
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Ivy Bridge = What Sandy Bridge SHOULD have been...

I HOPE nobody buys Sandy Bridge, if they do, they obviously didn't do their research!
I lol'd

Yes, of course. The die shrink is clearly Sandy Bridge should have been, but then we'd end up with Nehalem on 22nm
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