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uh-oh... dear balla, i see you´re defending intel at all costs.. its YOUR choice so be it

it´s funny, your figures are looking a bit odd - oh wait a minute.. tomshardware?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/p...stungsaufnahme
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english is not my native language (do you have problem with that ?),
but insults are your strong attribute


BTW , all those intel cpus in your "charts" are 32nm...
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No I wasn't insulting you for your English, I can't speak more than one language myself so you're doing it better than I can.

I do however have a hard time understanding you and you often talk about random things that I have no idea where they're coming from... It's pretty hard to have a discussion about products that exist with people who are fluent in English. It's mind-numbing to have this discussion about a product that has no actual numbers to back it - with a person who I have no idea where they're coming from and types things out in weird ways that nobody else does in a dialect that is hard enough to decode without the small text sizes and random coloring.
I was going to write exactly the same thing.

Especially the random colouring, text resizing and bold enthesis, this isreally aggravating
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But in the Enthusiast market, it's ALL about the best CPU within a price bracket...

If a person can afford the best, then it's all about the best performance, they won't hear it any other way either...

So you could say, but this or but that, but when a customer walks into my store with the money, and says..

"I want the best." I tell them the price, they say, "Not a problem, how long will it take you?"

The only time cores & performance doesn't matter is when you are talking to people who are more concerned about the money..

If you look at Apple & their expensive products which sell A LOT, they can teach you something, because there is a rather profitable market for "The Best" believe me..

While the cheaper CPUs may make CPU MFGs more money, that doesn't mean they can't win anything by making Enthusiast Chips, truly not the case...

BTW Apple is buying Sandy Bridge, that has got to hurt bad...
OK, fine.

Then simply say the enthusiast market. What bugs me is when someone makes a broad statement about competitiveness in the overall market and ties it to whether one product can beat another product that addresses .01% of the total market.

This is not a performance statement about where AMD can/can not compete, it is merely a statement that you can't judge the entire market based on one $1000 part that nobody buys.

You really can't even judge the enthusiast market because most of them are not buying that part either. It's like saying if ford can't beat the corvette in performance they are going to go out of business. It's just insane.
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Enthusiast market is more about the best cpu vs performance ( and overclockability ) ... because the enthusiast market has something much more important... GPU's ...

You ear people " is my CPU bottlenecking my GPU ? " ... so main problem of Enthusiasts is that the CPU won't be able to go with the GPU ...

So i see much more people willing to spend money on a GPU thank on top of the range CPU ...

Atention, top of the range, when talking Intel in this case, that has 1000USD CPU's ...
Even an enthusiast will think 3, 4, 10 times before considering that CPU

Of course, we see many 980x here for example ... but ... my guess is that some of those users didn't had to spend the entire 1000USD to get them ... some are 2 hand... others are from personal business ...

I mean... we can't make math using a sample cpu that is over-premium price and represents less than 1% of the market

People, more and more, see the overclockability of the cpu's ... if they can get a cpu that with overclock can match or surpass the high-end chips ... they will go that way ...

I mean, it's rare to see a enthusiast with stock settings
Edited by Pedros - 2/12/11 at 6:32am
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I would agree there, the cpu only needs to be fast enough to push the gpu(s)... AMD is lagging there currently with Phenom II chips, which is why almost all the enthusiasts are running Intel chips.

Not even Intel factory clocked chips are capable of doing what some of us ask from them, hence we overclock them. That said, nobody wants to buy two high end gpus from either camp and see usage go up and down because of a cpu bottleneck. That's just wasted money.
    
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OK, fine.

Then simply say the enthusiast market. What bugs me is when someone makes a broad statement about competitiveness in the overall market and ties it to whether one product can beat another product that addresses .01% of the total market.

This is not a performance statement about where AMD can/can not compete, it is merely a statement that you can't judge the entire market based on one $1000 part that nobody buys.

You really can't even judge the enthusiast market because most of them are not buying that part either. It's like saying if ford can't beat the corvette in performance they are going to go out of business. It's just insane.
So your saying AMD won't release a $1,000 processor? The information we have now(That may be false) shows that AMD's 8 core is 50% faster than Intel's Core i7 950 and it should be faster than Intel's Core i7 980x(If that information is true). Intel won't have an answer to Bulldozer till Q4 of 2011? So AMD would be pricing their best processor at $1,000 because it won't have any competition.

Also Ford has a Ford GT1000 which can sweep Chevy's Corvette Zr1
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herp derp
I'm sure actually working at AMD, he has access to an exponentially greater amount of quality information than the speculated hype you've searched for through google.. Also not sure why you're trying to 'read between the lines' and come to some random conclusion completely based on misinterpretation of an argument..

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Ford has a Ford GT1000 which can sweep Chevy's Corvette Zr1
Why refer to the analogy if you completely miss the point?
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Ok so. Zambezi has 8 cores at 3.5 Ghz with 4 Ghz Turbo. Which is...
8x4Ghz = 32 Ghz. i7 950 has 4 cores and HT. HT counts as 1/2 cores so that's 6 real cores. Let's assume we overclocked it to 4Ghz. So... 6x4Ghz = 24Ghz. 32Ghz - 24Ghz = 8 Ghz. 8 Ghz / 24 Ghz = 1/3 which is 33.333%. So Zambezi will offer a 33.333% gain over the i7 950. As for the Gflops, i7 950 @ 4 Ghz gets about 65GFlops if I'm not mistaking so we'll see Zambezi hit 90Gflops obviously. I'm not sure about Passmark CPU cores, but something tells me it'll be 33.333% better. Unless... the 2cores in 1 design is seen as a single core, it'll be a totally different story. 4x4Ghz = 16Ghz Which is a Huge drop obviously.

Yes. This is totally BS.
For the record Zambezi has 4 modules with 8 REAL cores & Hyper Transport...
Will utilize 1866 MHz RAM (I believe that's what I saw on the blog, not sure)
Has new Architect which will be faster than the current market offerings BY AMD.. (They will not say anything about AMD vs Intel, they can't, legally.)

That's pretty much what most of us Techs know...

Everything else is purely rumors or speculation, more or less, unless you heard it from JT-AMD himself, go to the blog if you want real facts...

Personally I think I could be over hyping AMD's Zambezi, hoping it's much better than anyone can hope for, I just want something that beats Sandy Bridge, and BAD... I hope AMD wins here, regardless of how many shares the Enthusiast market presents in $ to AMD... Obviously AMD is sticking with what IS working for them, Servers...

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that 8 real cores is going to be good, I don't care HOW you slice it or dice it...
(It may even be better than all the quad cores on the market, COULD BE, but we won't know YET..)

8 True Cores vs 4 Cores with Hyper Threading, you take an educated guess...
Edited by _GTech - 2/12/11 at 6:05pm
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For the record Zambezi has 4 modules with 8 REAL cores & Hyper Transport...
Will utilize 1866 MHz RAM (I believe that's what I saw on the blog, not sure)
Has new Architect which will be faster than the current market offerings BY AMD.. (They will not say anything about AMD vs Intel, they can't, legally.)

That's pretty much what most of us Techs know...

Everything else is purely rumors or speculation, more or less, unless you heard it from JT-AMD himself, go to the blog if you want real facts...

Personally I think I could be over hyping AMD's Zambezi, hoping it's much better than anyone can hope for, I just want something that beats Sandy Bridge, and BAD... I hope AMD wins here, regardless of how many shares the Enthusiast market presents in $ to AMD... Obviously AMD is sticking with what IS working for them, Servers...

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that 8 real cores is going to be good, I don't care HOW you slice it or dice it...
(It may even be better than all the quad cores on the market, COULD BE, but we won't know YET..)

8 True Cores vs 4 Cores with Hyper Threading, you take an educated guess...
Zambezi will at least trade blows with SB, methinks. We know from the Bulldozer blog that memory throughput will increase 50% compared to the current tech, so that alone bodes well. If, as has been confirmed, the 16 core Interlagos part can Turbo 500 MHz while all cores are utilized, one would hope that there's quite a bit more headroom for OC'ing Zambezi, too.
    
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So your saying AMD won't release a $1,000 processor? The information we have now(That may be false) shows that AMD's 8 core is 50% faster than Intel's Core i7 950 and it should be faster than Intel's Core i7 980x(If that information is true). Intel won't have an answer to Bulldozer till Q4 of 2011? So AMD would be pricing their best processor at $1,000 because it won't have any competition.

Also Ford has a Ford GT1000 which can sweep Chevy's Corvette Zr1
I am not saying that. I have no clue about the desktop price stack, I am in servers.
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Zambezi will at least trade blows with SB, methinks. We know from the Bulldozer blog that memory throughput will increase 50% compared to the current tech, so that alone bodes well. If, as has been confirmed, the 16 core Interlagos part can Turbo 500 MHz while all cores are utilized, one would hope that there's quite a bit more headroom for OC'ing Zambezi, too.
That's 500 MHz Turbo Core is for the 16 cores, it will be higher for the 8 core versions (& lesser core versions), as TDP limitations on 16 cores is different than 8 cores...

I hope you are referring to Cache rather than RAM in that 50% figure..
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