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Originally Posted by pietro sk View Post
Latest leak ? Ain´t gonna happen
I bet my 100€ - this one is fake like hell , again...


As i said previously, i´m expecting 5GHz overclocks.
I see it as easy task on quad-BD, and **probably** also possible on octocore BD
100€ isn't much... (*pushes on the gambler in you*)

I sure hope the benches are real, but alas, one can only dream..
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That graph isn't even possible.

A Phenom II x6 @ 4.2ish gets 22k in that test.

You guys really believe the 4 core bulldozer chips is going to be 50% faster with 50% less cores @ stock?

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Just to clarify on that damn slide, here is what I said:

1. I did not make it
2. It looks like our template, but I can't vouch for it because IF it came from AMD, it did not come from my group.
3. I would not approve a leak.

So the options are:

A. It is an AMD slide that was given under NDA and someone else leaked it
B. Someone outside of AMD made the slide

That is all I have said on this, I have never said it did not come from AMD, only that I couldn't be sure of where it came from.

Now, there is another chart being passed around that has a grey, 3D bar chart with performance. That doesn't look like any slide I have ever seen inside of AMD. But, again, I can't really say, whether it came from AMD as we have ~13K employees and I only have control over my 8-9 people.
Thanks for clearing that up, but actually, this is what you said, which is exactly what I posted:



So, how is there any discrepancy in my post in reference to the turkish slide, and what JF-AMD wrote?



Maybe I have Mad Photoshop skills, but for those interested, it is in this thread, Page 3, 9th post, at the time of this writing, that post has not been edited, and it has even been quoted by others:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/pa...83_28_100.html

If anyone can find what is being said now vs what was said in that POST, label me a troll with good reason. I merely posted what WAS said. Here's one such post with the QUOTE in place:



I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of the posts, because clearly it has gone way over your heads, and all you will do is find anything to criticize and label someone as a troll.

I made my decisions to choose Nvidia perfectly clear, funny how no one has replied to this post:
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/93...l#post12431154

It's not my fault Adobe chose to build Premiere with CUDA's architecture, to optimize its use with the Mercury Playback Engine, my PRIMARY use for my rig is video editing WITH Adobe Premiere, NOT gaming, so yea, this type of stuff tends to matter to me.

In case you all missed it, here it is again, but perhaps I made this up too, right? It is straight from the article I linked:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx

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In order to harness the power of GPU, Adobe took one step back, though. Unlike the OpenGL effects Adobe was using in Creative Suite 4, resulting in sub-optimal acceleration for some GPUs, Premiere Pro CS5 is being built using nVidia CUDA software architecture. Yes, this singlehandedly gives the Adobe CS5 market to nVidia but given the share of nVidia Quadro boards versus ATI FirePro - we can't say we're surprised.

The reason for this decision wasn't a move akin to "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" affairs such as Batmangate or Assassin's Creed, but something more simpler: Adobe needed a stable software toolkit to work on it and according to Dennis: "The 64-bit native code has been announced and now we bring in NVIDIA CUDA technology to be the icing on the cake and a powerful new engine to squeeze out performance in Premiere Pro. Before I wax philosophic on GPU, let me officially tip my hat to the incredible engineers at Adobe and their work here for the Mercury Playback Engine."

If you are wondering what is the real deal with GPGPU API's, there is a telling tale of why Adobe opted to base its Mercury Engine on nVidia's CUDA language. While AMD will tell you that they're all for open standards and push OpenCL, the sad truth is that the company representatives will remain shut when you ask them about the real status of their OpenCL API - especially if you quote them a lead developer from a AAA software company with 10x more employees than AMD themselves that goes something like this: "I struggled to even get ATI's beta drivers installed and working, it was just problem after problem. Maybe once ATI gets their drivers out of beta and actually allow you to install them then I will have some performance numbers. I mean at this point AMD is so far behind in development tools they are not even worth pursuing right now."
I'll say this one last time, I sure hope that BD spanks Intel's offering, that means lower prices for all of us, it will force Intel to innovate, and if BD is THAT good, I will gladly upgrade to it, and or build a 2nd rig based off BD. Competition is GOOD, we all benefit from it.

As of this moment what we know about BD's actual performance is Zip, Zilch, Nada, until something reliable gets released by AMD themselves, or something with AMD's confirmation, without leaving any room for speculation as seen ITT.
Edited by 2010rig - 2/18/11 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by pietro sk View Post
its not my problem if somebody does not see weird details on some AT reviews...

one example - in one fusion reviews AT used the newest drivers for intel platform, but unfortunately he "forget" update the drivers on amd system ...


What else expected .. At anandtech are working few ex intel employees...
Ok, ignore anandtech then. Now explain the dozens of other reviews that showed the exact same results. As I already said complaining about a site being biased is such a cop out it's not even funny. I can guarantee if anandtech showed bulldozer beating SB you would completely change your tune but because it doesn't fit into your current preconceptions about performance you call it biased. Just like for years AMD people would complain about cinebench being biased. Than the 1090t came out and beat the i7's and suddenly it was a totally legit bench, then sandybridge came out and its biased again. It's so ridiculous and you don't even realize it.
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Sutor, ne ultra crepidam
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That graph isn't even possible.

A Phenom II x6 @ 4.2ish gets 22k in that test.

You guys really believe the 4 core bulldozer chips is going to be 50% faster with 50% less cores @ stock?

lol.....
Eh... it's 32NM
And a brand new architecture with brand new instruction set support such as AVX
Nothing's impossible with the benefits
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This is the latest leak it's a 4 Core Zambezi, with Turbo Core and No Turbo Core benchmarks on it... This has my hopes really in the sky, I sure hope this is accurate!


I only have one question about Bulldozer Zambezi CPUs, can they be overclocked? I know it seems like a silly question, but it's really weighing heavy on my mind, I sure hope AMD doesn't do like Intel did with their CPUs where they locked some of them out preventing them from being overclocked, that would be sad indeed..

Please show me where it says that is a four core bulldozer? Saying that seems like another attempt to over estimate the performance speculations. As far as we know from official sources the first bulldozer cpu is going to be an 8 core, then a 6 core and 4 core. Im not saying that those benchmarks are for an 8 or 4 or 6 core im just saying we have no positive confirmation but given the chronological release order it would be more sensible to assume (should we want to make an unfounded assumption about a possibly fake benchmark) it would be the first released 8 core model.

I think we all need to take a step back. Im not an amd or nvidia or intel fan. I simply buy whatever hardware shows the best price/performance ratio based on actual real world benchmarks. Do I want AMD to do well with bulldozer? Of course, better products mean better competition and lower prices for the end user. In about two weeks time we'l start getting some real benchmarks popping up and we'l all look back on this and laugh at how much we were freaking out over things we knew nothing about but were religiously and in alot of posts offensively defending regardless.

So do your self a favour, sit back, relax and wait till at least after cebet around the 5th of March. Then once we have those real benchmark we can have a real factual discussion free from bias and enjoyably productive.
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AMD cried to the courts about Intel not optimizing their code for AMD chips, and got paid over $1 Billion for it!
Why should Intel be forced to optimize their code to be compliant with their competing processors?
You are VERY right in that regard.

Based on your logic, instead of crying about it, perhaps AMD should write their own code libraries, instead of using Intel's!
Wroooooong, you misunderstood
Intel was "invited" to court

1- not because : intel did not optimized their compiler for AMD cpus (thats not their business) ...

2-BUT BECAUSE : intel compiler takes the worst code path if AMD (or other non Intel) cpu is detected
==> to maximize harm / performance penalty on these processors..
Shady as sh_t, ugly Intel ..

... and of course ,also because of nasty coercing and bribing IT industry (OEMs)..

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You misunderstood again, AMD does not use intel libs - but SW vendors do..
John will tell - AMD supports many opensource and microsoft compilers, AMD has not own compiler.

But at the end, software producer picks the tools (compiler)..
And that piece of software shouldn´t generate buggy code ..

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About nvidia part : i dont care if nvidia goes bankrupt or not - its not my interest
1 my idea was - with proper SW , ati HW may outperform CUDA..
2 opensource vs proprietary
    
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Wroooooong, you misunderstood
Intel was "invited" to court

1- not because : intel did not optimized their compiler for AMD cpus (thats not their business) ...

2-BUT BECAUSE : intel compiler takes the worst code path if AMD (or other non Intel) cpu is detected
==> to maximize harm / performance penalty on these processors..
Shady as sh_t, ugly Intel ..

... and of course ,also because of nasty coercing and bribing IT industry (OEMs)..

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You misunderstood again, AMD does not use intel libs - but SW vendors do..
John will tell - AMD supports many opensource and microsoft compilers, AMD has not own compiler.

But at the end, software producer picks the tools (compiler)..
And that piece of software shouldn´t generate buggy code ..

-------------------

About nvidia part : i dont care if nvidia goes bankrupt or not - its not my interest
1 my idea was - with proper SW , ati HW may outperform CUDA..
2 opensource vs proprietary
It has already been tested by changing cpuid to intel from amd, at worst its 20%(in one or two things) On average for benchs that are effected its 5-10% and on a majority of benchs it made no difference. Yes its shady, I completely agree. But it isn't what is causing intel to lead amd right now. It causes the gap to widen in a couple benchs but it is hardly the main factor in intels high end desktop lead.
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Eh... it's 32NM
And a brand new architecture with brand new instruction set support such as AVX
Nothing's impossible with the benefits
AVX has nothing to do with 3D Mark Vantage.
    
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