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I have been where you are now....

Truth to be told is, this is exactly why many people simply just went with Intel, better performance, and that, despite the bumps in price, is well worth the trek across the bridge, definitely.... (Pun Intended)

Then of course, we still have to see if AMD brings it or fails miserably for the last time before they get owned by Intel in the end..

(Intel 10 Cores CPUs Coming SOON - Q2 2011!)

Now, what were we saying? Oh yeah, um Intel rocks, but AMD well, we gotta see proof they are going to even be in the game any more (in the desktop market), as of right now, I'd say AMD isn't going to win this fight, Intel doesn't fight fair, not even! Sandy Bridge is officially the bomb, definitely...

Bulldozer or Bust for AMD, in my eyes, but JF-AMD says this isn't true, as we can all see, AMD is simply disconnected from us real consumers...

They think they have the right solution based upon logic, but their logic has failed them too long now....
Even if bulldozer doesn't beat sandy bridge it hardly means it would be the end of AMD. A vast majority of people don't need the best of the best and the sub $200 market is the most profitable by a very large margin. It just means as far as gamers and enthusiasts go they wouldn't be the best choice.
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plus amd is winning in the server side, and soon to be netbook side with the fusion
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Even if bulldozer doesn't beat sandy bridge it hardly means it would be the end of AMD. A vast majority of people don't need the best of the best and the sub $200 market is the most profitable by a very large margin. It just means as far as gamers and enthusiasts go they wouldn't be the best choice.
Yes, you are correct, indeed....

$160 Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition is a very nice chip..
$90-$100 Athlon II X 4 are very nice & cheap CPUs as well!

(But, they just don't perform fast enough for me, unfortunately)

The core 2 Quads are reasonably price now, so those two chips above just don't seem as viable...


They just need to work on that Dual Core price offering, seriously...

$40 Celeron Dual Core
$60 Pentium Dual Core (I Love This Chip)
$80-$120 Core 2 Duo
$120-$140 Core i3 Dual Core
(i5 Dual Cores are not worth even mentioning because of price)

Intel is winning in the Dual Core market, to me, as they have a nice spread.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, generally speaking Intel is winning, hard, on most fronts, price & performance being very important..
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plus amd is winning in the server side, and soon to be netbook side with the fusion
Well, in Netbooks now, yeah AMD is definitely going to own, without 1 doubt.

In servers, well I don't know, because Intel is releasing their 10 Core Server CPU in 2nd half of 2011, and they are using the Core Series Architect which we both know has spanked AMD's monkeying around pretty hard...

Bulldozer is the only factor that remains to be seen, this is why I tell everyone, stop buying and see what this chip does before you choose to upgrade or buy a new rig!


Will it be?



Or will it be what AMD said originally....



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The manufacturing goals at AMD have changed as well. No longer do we see independent efforts within AMD's doors. Instead, we're seeing a shift away from the more traditional manufacturing models aimed at particular segments. AMD is now looking to leverage its base compute abilities across the board. This means knowledge gained in one division is shared and incorporated in another. This includes not only CPU and GPU areas, but also more specialized compute abilities. AMD introduced a new UVD module (Universal Video Decoder, which works with Blu-ray or HD DVD), for example. The company stated that UVD allows a 25x greater utilization of silicon real-estate while simultaneously providing a 40% reduction in power consumption and a 40% increase in performance. These specialized modules are a win-win for consumers.

AMD's focus has also evolved, and without question. They're now taking design and manufacturing processes and leveraging them internally toward goals wrapped in “M-SPACE”. M-SPACE stands for Modularity, Scalability, Portability, Accessibility, Compatibility and Efficiency. It now permeates all aspects of design and is present in all forward-looking products (those about 2+ years out). It's also the mindset in departments and technology ideas in general.

The modular design approach AMD is pursuing was mentioned consistently throughout the presentation. It allows a relatively small base of compute abilities, be they CPU, GPU, or individual components like memory controllers, HyperTransport, DirectConnect, etc., to target many more industry segments than would be possible without it. AMD indicated that by making their products more dynamic and configurable, they can expand them up and down relative to industry targets. This places its compute products in market segments beyond the base abilities the product might otherwise have provided for.
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Edited by _GTech - 2/19/11 at 8:50pm
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Yes, you are correct, indeed....

$160 Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition is a very nice chip..
$90-$100 Athlon II X 4 are very nice & cheap CPUs as well!

(But, they just don't perform fast enough for me, unfortunately)

The core 2 Quads are reasonably price now, so those two chips above just don't seem as viable...


They just need to work on that Dual Core price offering, seriously...

$40 Celeron Dual Core
$60 Pentium Dual Core (I Love This Chip)
$80-$120 Core 2 Duo
$120-$140 Core i3 Dual Core
(i5 Dual Cores are not worth even mentioning because of price)

Intel is winning in the Dual Core market, to me, as they have a nice spread.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, generally speaking Intel is winning, hard, on most fronts, price & performance being very important..


That is true, but the athlon II x4's really shine over them in that price range. Like I said it all depends on what people are doing with their comp. If someone just wants to get a mid range comp and plans to maybe just game a bit the athlon II x4/phenom II x4 and a 6850/460 really can't be beat. Everything has its place, and sadly at this time AMD really has no place in the high end enthusiast market. Hopefully AMD can change that but as of now it's the sad truth and I hate the fact that it makes me sound like a fanboy saying it but I think it's better to inform people that YES intel chips are faster than AMD chips in more than just "bentmarks" rather than people being told its fine to buy sli/xfire cards and an x6 and seeing 50% gpu usage in any cpu intensive part in games that aren't optimized for more than 3 cores.(which a majority of the games out there are)

Also the only core 2 quads that are within that price range new are the 8xxx series and they have far less cache than the good core 2 quads so they are behind the phenom II's by a decent bit.
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It took me chilled sub 0 water to get my 1090T high load stable at 4.4 or higher.
similar case for nehalem, i suppose
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One of the advantages of SB is the clocks
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Yes, you are correct, indeed....

$160 Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition is a very nice chip..
$90-$100 Athlon II X 4 are very nice & cheap CPUs as well!

(But, they just don't perform fast enough for me, unfortunately)

The core 2 Quads are reasonably price now, so those two chips above just don't seem as viable...


They just need to work on that Dual Core price offering, seriously...

$40 Celeron Dual Core
$60 Pentium Dual Core (I Love This Chip)
$80-$120 Core 2 Duo

$120-$140 Core i3 Dual Core
(i5 Dual Cores are not worth even mentioning because of price)

Intel is winning in the Dual Core market, to me, as they have a nice spread.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, generally speaking Intel is winning, hard, on most fronts, price & performance being very important..
LOL ? who will buy OLD LGA 775.. Are you serious ??
    
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LOL ? who will buy OLD LGA 775.. Are you serious ??
Lol Cheap people, and cheap computer sales, don't doubt that for one minute!

anyway, on to my next topic..

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I found some new information about Zacate which reportedly overclocks at 46%! (Was using the Gigabyte Board found here)

So if Bulldozer is 3.5 GHz then we can expect to see 5.0+ GHz!

We could well be looking at the CPU that matches or beats Sandy Bridge with a 4 Core version! I'll leave you to consider what 8 cores at 5 GHz can do..


Edited by _GTech - 2/21/11 at 9:17pm
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LGA 775 isn't CHEAP, and I wish I'd kept my setup instead of switching to AM3, that Rampage could really clock...anyways. There are plenty of people who still use 775 and wouldn't want to upgrade till a REAL performance medium trumps their rigs. All of this speculation makes me want to see a stock-stock comparison of SB/BD.
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plus amd is winning in the server side, and soon to be netbook side with the fusion
It looks like they are going to win on the HTPC Builds too!

Read the reviews on the Gigabyte / Zacate Setup Here!
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