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Gflops is a representation of one part of the chip, the floating point part. It's not really a testament to how fast sandy bridge is, but a testament to how fast AVX is.
    
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At least Bulldozer is going to implement AVX. And finally implement the full SSE4 set of instructions that have made AMD chips seem comparatively crippled in certain applications since the dawn of Core2. And they're not stuck a generation behind in the manufacturing process. And the pairwise optional resource sharing sounds a bit cleverer than the whole hyperthreading thing.

Barring any massive screwups that were somehow missed in testing, Bulldozer should at least be able to compete.
    
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The resource sharing only helps them lower production cost, it won't help performance.

Both AMD and INTEL are in this game to make money, AMD seems to coming to the realization they can still make it while selling sub $200 chips.

Bulldozer seems to be geared towards them going for cheaper fab, higher profits on lower priced chips. I haven't seen anything yet that indicates AMD is trying to obtain the performance crown from INTEL again.
    
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Sadly in this game the hare finishes the race in less than 7 seconds whereas the tortoise needs 15 seconds or more
Yeah, I constantly run super-pi over and over again, all day long, I only get 5760 runs in a 24hr period, so I might change over to SB so I can run it 11520 a day, I don't use my pc for anything else, i'm a bit of a sad act really.
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The resource sharing only helps them lower production cost, it won't help performance.

Both AMD and INTEL are in this game to make money, AMD seems to coming to the realization they can still make it while selling sub $200 chips.

Bulldozer seems to be geared towards them going for cheaper fab, higher profits on lower priced chips. I haven't seen anything yet that indicates AMD is trying to obtain the performance crown from INTEL again.
I'm pretty sure AMD is trying to take the crown from Intel they brought back the "FX" series! I saved up $1,000 for my 8 core
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The resource sharing only helps them lower production cost, it won't help performance.
The resource sharing and FPU redesign is to pack more cores in the same space, it won't make them any cheaper to produce, the smaller node will do that, once initial costs are paid.

Having more cores will help multithreaded apps and machines running multiple threads. Bulldozer is really a server design, which it should do well at, the only question I have is about it's client ability.
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I'm pretty sure AMD is trying to take the crown from Intel they brought back the "FX" series! I saved up $1,000 for my 8 core
I heard it's going to be $1,000.99...
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The resource sharing only helps them lower production cost, it won't help performance.
I completely agree on the L2 cache sharing. Optionally being able to double the word size on the fpu sounds like pure benefit (for applications that could use the precision) with no drawback--provided that they don't have to dedicate too many transistors to schedulers and the like.
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Both AMD and INTEL are in this game to make money, AMD seems to coming to the realization they can still make it while selling sub $200 chips.

Bulldozer seems to be geared towards them going for cheaper fab, higher profits on lower priced chips. I haven't seen anything yet that indicates AMD is trying to obtain the performance crown from INTEL again.
This sounds like nothing but benefit for me, the midrange consumer. wink.gif
    
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The resource sharing and FPU redesign is to pack more cores in the same space, it won't make them any cheaper to produce, the smaller node will do that, once initial costs are paid.

Having more cores will help multithreaded apps and machines running multiple threads. Bulldozer is really a server design, which it should do well at, the only question I have is about it's client ability.

So you think the 16 core chip is going to go against the 8 core 16 thread sandy bridge chips on the server end?

That should be pretty interesting, though I'm not a sever guy... the 8 core variant will be their "top" chip in the desktop market and it will be going against the same intel chip...

It will be interesting to see how it pans out, I would think the redesign would save cash, since they aren't putting full 256 FP pipelines in for each core like Intel is.
    
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I guess a 16 core BD against an 8 core 16 thread is no different to an 8 core BD against a 4 core 8 thread SB.

I really don't haven't got a clue how this is all going to end, though my head tells me the winner will be wearing blue.
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