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When would you ever need more than 2 mats (carpet and maybe an "all-weather" plastic mat)?
You would never need more than 1 floor mat. I don't know of any auto companies that sanctiones the usage of 2 floormats at once.

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So the real question is why is the gas pedal in the only place you can brace yourself against in case of an accident?
It's not.

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In an automobile, the dead pedal is located to the left of the other pedals. Unlike the throttle, brake or clutch pedal, the dead pedal does not move and is not connected to anything. The dead pedal can serve several important purposes:

* It acts as a foot rest for the left foot.
* In cars with manual transmissions, it helps keep the driver from riding the clutch.
* It helps brace the driver whilst performing extreme maneuvers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pedal

There is PLENTY of space for your feet to brace themselves other than the gas pedal. When you're not accelerating you should instinctively move your right foot OFF the gas pedal and onto the brake pedal while your left foot braces onto the dead pedal

2008 Toyota Camry


Notice that manual transmission cars/drivers NEVER have these "unintended acceleration" problems.
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You would never need more than 1 floor mat. I don't know of any auto companies that sanctiones the usage of 2 floormats at once.



It's not.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pedal

There is PLENTY of space for your feet to brace themselves other than the gas pedal. When you're not accelerating you should instinctively move your right foot OFF the gas pedal and onto the brake pedal while your left foot braces onto the dead pedal

2008 Toyota Camry


Notice that manual transmission cars/drivers NEVER have these "unintended acceleration" problems.
Wrong. You can't just choose to brace with one foot. When impact happens your legs stabilize as soon as they are physically able to.

There is no where to the right, or the left, to put your foot if you got hit while accelerating. Again, you would not be able to move it anywhere outside of exactly where it is at time of impact anyways.
    
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Cool and all but Popular Mechanics proved this about a year ago. The acceleration part of these cars even the Prius is mechanical, and is not ran by electronics. For someone to say it was the computer that made this happen is 100% ignorant. It's called insurance fraud. Two things I think caused this. Mass insurance fraud do to ignorance, and GM (Government Motors) had something to gain by all this. Even tough Toyota still had great sales.
Edited by Pings - 2/9/11 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Trigunflame View Post
In other words, human error and/or deception; big surprise
Some idiot didn't know how to drive, said it was the car.
Then, you have a bunch of people trying to say the same, so they can get a new car / payoff / etc.
didn't this happen to woz though too? And he's no idiot
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Why would you guys even want to brace yourselves for an impact? It will only create more injury. There is a reason why drunk drivers walk away from accidents after killing people and it was because they were relaxed and didn't stiffen up their body.

Still, you guys should notice that this is ruling out electronics specifically, it still leaves other things such as floor mats. I even remember watching a video of a toyota mechanic getting interviewed about replacing gas pedals and even he said that there was a problem there. Enough metal on metal contact and the gas pedal starts to stick.

For the record I drive a toyota sienna.

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For someone to say it was the computer that made this happen is 100% ignorant. It's called insurance fraud.
Actually I think NASA brought that up originally so I guess that makes you ignorant. The theory goes that as electronics get smaller and smaller, subatomic particles that are flying through us all the time on a daily basis could hit a transistor(or some other electronic component) and just cause things to go wrong. They brought it up because it is something they have to engineer for when it comes to their electronics.
Edited by joemaniaci - 2/9/11 at 10:48am
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Why would you guys even want to brace yourselves for an impact? It will only create more injury. There is a reason why drunk drivers walk away from accidents after killing people and it was because they were relaxed and didn't stiffen up their body.
I mean... that's a reflex for most people. Alcohol impairs that. I'm not trying to start a fight with one of my favorite people on here but it just seems common sense to me.
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I mean... that's a reflex for most people. Alcohol impairs that. I'm not trying to start a fight with one of my favorite people on here but it just seems common sense to me.
Oh I know what you mean, just saying, not having somewhere to brace for impact would actually be a benefit.
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Actually I think NASA brought that up originally so I guess that makes you ignorant. The theory goes that as electronics get smaller and smaller, subatomic particles that are flying through us all the time on a daily basis could hit a transistor(or some other electronic component) and just cause things to go wrong. They brought it up because it is something they have to engineer for when it comes to their electronics.
You think? You think! And, you call me ignorant because you think... WOW! What you just did is the definition of ignorant. NASA and the U.S. Department of Transportation were doing a ten-month as of the 8th. Popular Mechanics did studies and wrote articles on this from February 9, 2010 to March 3, 2010. That's also mean that the studies where done before the dates published. I think^ that make you ignorant. Fail, don't be a troll.


Edited by Pings - 2/9/11 at 11:11am
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Can't you just turn the car off...? There's a key in there for a reason.
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Wrong. You can't just choose to brace with one foot. When impact happens your legs stabilize as soon as they are physically able to.

There is no where to the right, or the left, to put your foot if you got hit while accelerating. Again, you would not be able to move it anywhere outside of exactly where it is at time of impact anyways.
Oops, I didn't see that you specifically mentioned accident. If that's the case then yes it's unlikely that one can instinctively move the right foot off the gas in emergency situations, although it's not IMPOSSIBLE.

On the other hand what would you suggest though? If we made another "dead pedal" space to the right of the gas pedal people will start resting their right foot there and may accidentally hit the gas pedal. Not to mention you said it yourself that if the person is accelerating his/her foot is already on the gas pedal and if accident occurs there is really nothing the driver can do.

But I think modern cars are probably going to come with electronic throttle cuts in case the car sensors detects certain emergencies (ie if brake pedal is depressed same time, and if airbag goes off or car detects other physical trauma)

So it is not a matter of foot-well design but that of what additional safety systems can cars come with that would basically cut off fuel where it's safe to assume that even if the gas pedal is depressed the driver did it unintentionally.

Another interesting fact about the pedal is that the reason why brake pedals, in general, are much bigger and wider than the gas pedal is after Audi had a similar unintended acceleration claims made against them back in the late 80s, IIRC. (That case turned out also to be a fraud, btw, and it was shown that driver error was the cause, not any design or mechanical defect). And from then on Audi among other car makers made the brake pedal larger so that when drivers panic they are more likely to hit the brake than the gas pedal.
Edited by nist7 - 2/9/11 at 11:43am
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