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Its just common sense dude. If its raining and you need to stop would you rather have ABS working for you, or have to make a wild ass guess on how wet the ground really is and how much grip this particular asphalt or concrete surface has? I don't care how well I can threshold brake at the track, I'd never want to rely on it in an emergency on the street just to have a slim chance of saving a few feet of stopping distance. Oh and every race car driver would absolutely love traction control...just sayin. They didn't use it in F1 for nothing.
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Its just common sense dude. If its raining and you need to stop would you rather have ABS working for you, or have to make a wild ass guess on how wet the ground really is and how much grip this particular asphalt or concrete surface has? I don't care how well I can threshold brake at the track, I'd never want to rely on it in an emergency on the street just to have a slim chance of saving a few feet of stopping distance. Oh and every race car driver would absolutely love traction control...just sayin. They didn't use it in F1 for nothing.


Dude?
I've been driving for 35 years and didn't get my experience from a video game.
When you can avoid a 70+ car pile up on an ice covered highway [in the middle of it all,BTW] and go around without a scratch,come talk to me.
The big problem with emergency braking is that people panic and jamb on the brakes full.
ABS is designed to save those people from themselves.
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Dude?
I've been driving for 35 years and didn't get my experience from a video game.
When you can avoid a 70+ car pile up on an ice covered highway [in the middle of it all,BTW] and go around without a scratch,come talk to me.
The big problem with emergency braking is that people panic and jamb on the brakes full.
ABS is designed to save those people from themselves.
Not everyone is skilled enough to brake properly. That is why ABS helps. Maybe you are 1337. Not everyone is that good of a driver. For that mother driving a mini-van or SUV full of children, ABS is probably a good thing.
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Avoiding a wreck on ice is called luck. No amount of talent will make you stop on ice with ABS or without it. ABS is there to stop the tires from locking. Again, you aren't going to have time to calculate exactly how much pedal is just enough in every unique situation you face on the street.

Oh, and I didn't get my experience from a video game. I play it because its fun and you can't race for real every night nor would I have the money to do so if it was possible.
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Not everyone is skilled enough to brake properly. That is why ABS helps. Maybe you are 1337. Not everyone is that good of a driver. For that mother driving a mini-van or SUV full of children, ABS is probably a good thing.

I won't deny that....as a matter of fact,I think I said something to that effect.
Glad you got it.
The problem with ABS is that it applies and releases the brakes.
So you slam your foot down,brakes apply full force,sensor detects a wheel[s] not turning and releases that wheel[s].
After a fixed period of time,it retries.
The period in between is where you could have modulated the brake pedal and kept *some* pressure applied.
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg View Post
Avoiding a wreck on ice is called luck. No amount of talent will make you stop on ice with ABS or without it. ABS is there to stop the tires from locking. Again, you aren't going to have time to calculate exactly how much pedal is just enough in every unique situation you face on the street.

Oh, and I didn't get my experience from a video game. I play it because its fun and you can't race for real every night nor would I have the money to do so if it was possible.

No luck involved my friend,I just used what I was taught.
I will tell you my stomach almost wound up in my throat though.
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