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Wrong. I have explained this multiple times before. I know that you were in those threads before so please do not attempt to obfuscate the issue.

All phones (and radio devices) suffer path attenuation when the antenna(s) are covered by a bag of water (i.e. your hand).

However, no other phone on the planet has signal degradation due to the antenna being the wrong length. When an electrically conductive material bridges the two external antennas, it basically creates a single antenna that is the wrong length.

http://www.crompton.com/wa3dsp/hamradio/antcalc.html
What exactly is "wrong"? All phones lose signal when held a certain way. Thats the issue. This has been demonstrated time and time again. It doesn't really matter how individual phones lose signal, only that they do. I'm not the one obfuscating the issue. Nor am i holding apple to some ungodly standard like the rest of the haters in this thread.
 
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What exactly is "wrong"? All phones lose signal when held a certain way. Thats the issue. This has been demonstrated time and time again. It doesn't really matter how individual phones lose signal, only that they do. I'm not the one obfuscating the issue. Nor am i holding apple to some ungodly standard like the rest of the haters in this thread.
I am kinda new to this but isn't the problem with the Iphone 4s is that how "easy" it is to degrade the signal compared to other smartphones?

Anyway, I am a right handed person and don't really see myself really "bridging the gap" 90% of the time when doing phone calls with it.

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What exactly is "wrong"? All phones lose signal when held a certain way. Thats the issue. This has been demonstrated time and time again. It doesn't really matter how individual phones lose signal, only that they do. I'm not the one obfuscating the issue. Nor am i holding apple to some ungodly standard like the rest of the haters in this thread.
Yes, but no phone loses signal nearly as bad or as easily. It was an intention aesthetic design decision that results in this issue. i.e. It is like saying all car experience drag. However, you decided to make your car extremely blocky without consideration to 20+ years of aerodynamics experience. Then when people complain of handling or maximum speed.... you say all cars experience drag as your excuse.

A simple robust dielectic coating would resolve this issue.
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A simple robust dielectic coating would resolve this issue.
I wonder why Apple didn't do the simple fix then?
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I am kinda new to this but isn't the problem with the Iphone 4s is that how "easy" it is to degrade the signal compared to other smartphones?
Yeah that is pretty much the reason of this thread.
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Yes, but no phone loses signal nearly as bad or as easily. It was an intention aesthetic design decision that results in this issue. i.e. It is like saying all car experience drag. However, you decided to make your car extremely blocky without consideration to 20+ years of aerodynamics experience. Then when people complain of handling or maximum speed.... you say all cars experience drag as your excuse.

A simple robust dielectic coating would resolve this issue.
Game. Set. Match. Winner Duckie.

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Yes, but no phone loses signal nearly as bad or as easily. It was an intention aesthetic design decision that results in this issue. i.e. It is like saying all car experience drag. However, you decided to make your car extremely blocky without consideration to 20+ years of aerodynamics experience. Then when people complain of handling or maximum speed.... you say all cars experience drag as your excuse.
When Anandtech did their tests, they said the iPhone 4 lost 19.8 dBm, the Nexus 1 10.8 dBm and the 3GS ~7 dBm; if you take into account that the iPhone 4 furthers the range you can be connected by 7, essentially meaning you "gain" 7 dBm, does the difference not end up being lower at a more reasonable 13 dBm?

Although it isn't evidence to anyone but myself, when I hold my 3GS it drops between 10 and 25 dBm usually somewhere in the middle; even if the 4 did drop 20 dBm it wouldn't be a big deal for me.
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A simple robust dielectic coating would resolve this issue.
You said it was an intentional aesthetic design decision that results in this issue, but if it was such a simple fix why do you think Apple wouldn't have done it? It's not like they aren't very experienced engineers.

For over a year they tested this phone and its antenna, surely if it was as simple as putting a coating on it that they'd have done it?
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Yes, but no phone loses signal nearly as bad or as easily. It was an intention aesthetic design decision that results in this issue. i.e. It is like saying all car experience drag. However, you decided to make your car extremely blocky without consideration to 20+ years of aerodynamics experience. Then when people complain of handling or maximum speed.... you say all cars experience drag as your excuse.

A simple robust dielectic coating would resolve this issue.
"As easily" is a pretty relative term, particularly for the Verizon iPhone, considering it seems to take a pretty strong, unreasonable grip to get it to lose signal - One that would be used to get any other phone to lose signal. The AT&T iphone was a different story completely.

I'm not saying the iPhone is without flaws, I just think the issue is completely overblown because of Apple's status in the tech industry. The problem can't be too severe for either phone, otherwise there'd be an awful high return rate and there hasn't been, at least for AT&T; we'll have to wait for Verizon.

At the end of the day it's consumers that make or break these phones and decide if their worth keeping, not videos of death-grips and death-hugs and rating and raving on forums. My point is, if the iPhone is more prone to signal degradation and/or loss, it's clearly not a problem for consumers, therefore is it a problem at all?
 
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Guys, DuckieHo is a well respected member of a the forums. I've seen him rise to the role of Moderator (well deserved) and one thing I've learnt is that he's is extremely knowledgable and does not hold bias (unlike some of us). The chances of you guys showing him up or wronging him are very, very slim.
    
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