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Well to me framerate is everything. I tried playing Killzone 2 earlier and the framerate was absolutely atrocious. I can only wonder how people can play on those rates...
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Yea well he's a SUPER ignorant console fanboy.

He said all you guys and this forum BRAIN WASHED me to believe that the PC is better than the X360...

lol

He said to wait for Gears of War 3 and see...

He also said that something about "size proportional"...
that if the Xbox 360 were the size of a desktop, it would be more powerful LOLOL

Honestly, Unreal Engine 3 is a fine engine, but the X360 only manages 30fps or so I believe.

And it's just funny how console gamers are happy with a steady 30fps.

Even my other console cousin watched me play COD a few months back, and he said " wow it looks real smooth compared to the console."
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And it's just funny how console gamers are happy with a steady 30fps
I think it's more funny how some PC gamers think they need 100+FPS to play a game
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I played through Crysis at less then 30fps, but everything above that just seems more fluid.
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My sisters fiance is an xbox guy, I showed him Crysis Warhead on Very High and he was wowed. Battlefield bad company 2 on high settings in multiplayer is a good one too.

I also showed him steam and how i can install my games on any pc and basically throw out the discs. Also, all the valve l4d dlc is free and how microsoft forces them to charge money for the dlc.

Then I showed him the wild mods for left 4 dead2 like 10v10 versus modes, all free. And you can kick people out of online games that you don't like.
Edited by mothrpe - 2/11/11 at 9:39am
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I also showed him steam and how i can install my games on any pc and basically throw out the discs.
You can buy full retail games via the Xbox Live marketplace and install them to your Xbox 360 too.
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Yea well he's a SUPER ignorant console fanboy.

He said all you guys and this forum BRAIN WASHED me to believe that the PC is better than the X360...

lol

He said to wait for Gears of War 3 and see...

Honestly, Unreal Engine 3 is a fine engine, but the X360 only manages 30fps or so I believe.

And it's just funny how console gamers are happy with a steady 30fps.

Even my other console cousin watched me play COD a few months back, and he said " wow it looks real smooth compared to the console."
While I do think that about 3/4 of the people in this thread is really just as bad as any ignorant console fanboy (as in hypocrites), and are completely misinformed to boot......

Your friend is stupid as PC gaming does have a edge in the graphical and controls department. But that doesn't mean that PC gaming is "infinitely superior" like everyone seems to insist.
30FPS is greatly playable. Personally, I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS but that doesn't mean that I can't play 30 or even 20FPS. 20FPS is atrocious and some games on the consoles tend to dip down there sometimes, but 30 is perfectly fine and the visuals behind it suite it fine.

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I think it's more funny how some PC gamers think they need 100+FPS to play a game
Exactly. 30FPS is suffiecient. Sure, 60FPS is more fluid but we're talking really insignificant differences here. It's when console games drop to 20~FPS during intense scenes where the argument can be made.

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He also said that something about "size proportional"...
that if the Xbox 360 were the size of a desktop, it would be more powerful LOLOL
His size proportion point is actually correct in a way. In order to keep price of manufacturing down and make sure that consoles are small/compact - everything is integrated into the motherboard. Consoles do not have full size GPUs in them. If you honestly thought that prior, then you need to evaluate everything you've said negatively about this guy. Their GPUs are integrated like GPUs in laptops are which significantly degrades them in comparison to a PCI-E GPU like the one in your rig.

Another point, out of the HUNDREDs I could make out of this thread, is that the ignorant people sitting here making comparisons of their GPUs to the GPUs in the consoles in terms of "horsepower" simply goes to show how little they know about videogames, development, and the visuals that go into them. You can have a $1,000 GPU (not even counting the rest of the computer), but guess what - that $300 console can provide visuals that are just as good as your 1k GPU at a decent resolution. Sure, your PC might have better visuals in the end but the significance is so stupidly small that it's pathetic to even brag about 90% of the time. Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 2 are perfect examples. Ok - sure - you get better native resolution, AA, and 60+FPS rates. BUT: in comparison overall, the games look strikingly the same and you're playing on a beast of a machine that is triple, quadruple, sometimes quintuple the cost of a console and you're going to sit there and brag about 60FPS? Don't make me laugh people.
Developers who can make games for a single set of hardware (console) can design graphics that are super impressive compared to designing graphics for an infinite amount of different sets of hardware (PC). You can't directly compare them like alot of you are doing. It's a completely different development process.
Console visuals are pretty incredible for hardware that is about 5-6 years out of date, and your BADASS $2k THAT IS CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY can barely output visuals that top it off.

The only people to blame here are developers for that, because they don't take care of that expensive equipment that you have and put it to use like you intend. But alot of you seem to think that they do anyway, and that's false lol

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Crysis looks great, but comparing it to Halo, when there are much better looking games on consoles than Halo, isn't going to get my vote.
Exactly, great point. To compare Crysis to something as pathetic as Halo is ridiculous. There are hundreds of better looking games than Halo 3 on the consoles, hell Halo 3 doesn't even push 720p resolution. It's like 640p.


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You can buy full retail games via the Xbox Live marketplace and install them to your Xbox 360 too.
Yep. Same thing on PS3.
In fact, both Xbox and PS3 both have great demo and deal offerings on those full games. PS3 for example - you can download the FULL game and play it for 60 minutes. When your trial is up, you either buy the game and keep playing or simply delete it. I believe the Xbox has some similar games like that and even lets you get a discount or two at times. Most games on the PC don't even offer a demo yet alone a full trial, nor deals to go with it.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 2/11/11 at 1:21pm
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He also said that something about "size proportional"...
that if the Xbox 360 were the size of a desktop, it would be more powerful LOLOL
I remember seeing an micro atx case that was water cooled last year. I am sure you could make something HALF the size of an xbox and make it at least twice as powerful if not more.

I wish I had friends that were ignorant console gamers, I have already shown my friends the light that is PC gaming.
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Another point, out of the HUNDREDs I could make out of this thread, is that the ignorant people sitting here making comparisons of their GPUs to the GPUs in the consoles in terms of "horsepower" simply goes to show how little they know about videogames, development, and the visuals that go into them. You can have a $1,000 GPU (not even counting the rest of the computer), but guess what - that $300 console can provide visuals that are just as good as your 1k GPU at a decent resolution. Sure, your PC might have better visuals in the end but the significance is so stupidly small that it's pathetic to even brag about 90% of the time. Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 2 are perfect examples. Ok - sure - you get better native resolution, AA, and 60+FPS rates. BUT: in comparison overall, the games look strikingly the same and you're playing on a beast of a machine that is triple, quadruple, sometimes quintuple the cost of a console and you're going to sit there and brag about 60FPS? Don't make me laugh people.

Just because in the case of DS2 and ME2, the developer decided not to take advantage of optimizing and using the advantages of PC gaming, such as additional memory for increased texture size, doesnt make console game even close to PC gaming. Sure the games do look good, but they could look so much better on the PC if the developer had taken the time to do it, instead of creating a weakass port. They didnt give the PC the same attention as they did the console, as they tried to get every ounce of power out of the console, and simply forced the PC to make do with what the xbox has.

You generally make decent arguments omega, but this is terribad. I'm talking rogue warrior bad.

http://www.robbaz.com/

go look at the GTA ones, and look at the modded one and compare it to consoles. The modded one is a comparision should be made by. As the modded is pushing the PC to the max the same as the regular version of the game is pushing Xbox/ps3 to the max. Lets compare a modded up Oblivion or fallout to a console oblivion or fallout.

Games are truly on a different level on the PC, but very few developers actually push it that far anymore. its more or less left up to modders to push the PC games to PC gaming level.
Edited by Vhati - 2/11/11 at 1:58pm
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Just because in the case of DS2 and ME2, the developer decided not to take advantage of optimizing and using the advantages of PC gaming, such as additional memory for increased texture size, doesnt make console game enough close to PC gaming. Sure the games do look good, but they could look so much better on the PC if the developer had taken the time to do it, instead of creating a weakass port. They didnt give the PC the same attention as they did the console, as they tried to get every ounce of power out of the console, and simply forced the PC to make do with what the xbox has.

You generally make decent arguments omega, but this is terribad. I'm talking rogue warrior bad.

http://www.robbaz.com/

go look at the GTA ones, and look at the modded one and compare it to consoles. The modded one is a comparision should be made by. As the modded is pushing the PC to the max the same as the regular version of the game is pushing Xbox/ps3 to the max.

Games are truly on a different level on the PC, but very few developers actually push it that far anymore.
I think that was his exact point. People brag about how PC is so much better yet in alot of cases there is little difference between games natively because of the development process.

In this case why would someone waste however much money to play games on a PC, at the level where hardware will make a difference, when natively there is little difference to justify the short term cost in comparison.

Like he also said, the fact that consoles are pushing out the graphics that they do today, on 5 year old hardware, is pretty incredible. And they're still finding ways to improve on that.

I own both a Xbox 360 and a PC, and while I can say that my PC is overall better, the Xbox 360 is far from bad at doing what it's designed to do.

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Yep. Same thing on PS3.
In fact, both Xbox and PS3 both have great demo and deal offerings on those full games. PS3 for example - you can download the FULL game and play it for 60 minutes. When your trial is up, you either buy the game and keep playing or simply delete it. I believe the Xbox has some similar games like that and even lets you get a discount or two at times. Most games on the PC don't even offer a demo yet alone a full trial, nor deals to go with it.
Pretty sure the PS3 is getting Steam soon aswell?

+1 rep for a well written, and unbiased, post.
Edited by Lifeshield - 2/11/11 at 2:05pm
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