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What do the people who were defending Sony actions say now? Sony wants to find out who were watching the how-to-videos on Youtube now?

This is gross censorship and paranoia by a company. It is not illegal to know how a hack works. They should not be allowed just to snoop for people's IP addresses just because they want to.
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What do the people who were defending Sony actions say now? Sony wants to find out who were watching the how-to-videos on Youtube now?

This is gross censorship and paranoia by a company. It is not illegal to know how a hack works. They should not be allowed just to snoop for people's IP addresses just because they want to.
Sony defenders? How about rational, logical human beings?

I would say this is overstepping its bounds, however I believe this is more of a scare-tactic than anything. Not saying it's right, but I think it's not as serious as some people are making it out to be.
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once again, blaming innocent people for their stupidity
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Your Honor, I was RickRolled into watching that video... I am innocent!
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So what now?

PS3 = greedy liars
360 = monthly online
Wii = nonexistant online
PC = abandoned by major developers?

I hope you've geared up your Nintendo DS or iPhone, because they're the last gaming machines worth having apparently.
How are they greedy liars? They are greedy liars by protecting their legally protected content that users willingly agreed to? They aren't doing this just for themselves, they are doing this for legit users and developers. No one wants to use a console with constant cheaters running around. No one wants to develop for a console that has their content stolen. No one wants to buy a console with no developers and horrible cheaters. If this happens, the indie scene will rise up, and it will become an outdated PC.

So, greedy liars? I think not. I'm sure many companies are cheering for them, especially considering they are doing something everyone else was wanting, but afraid to do. So, it is all the other companies that are greedy liars. They sacrifice their closed source system for PR points. Texas Instruments, Apple, yeah... So they will lose a few sheeple who believe the corporate world is evil, ok fine. That is a lot less than reasonable gamers who just want to have legitimate, unhindered fun. Or better yet, the number of people who just don't care as long as their experience is good.
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You guys are hilarious. It wasn't you, but sooo many people on your "side" have brought up ridiculous analogies like guns and alcohol and rape and marijuana, yet when we create a simple broad analogy (we have to, you guys just don't get it and are so in denial that Sony is completely within their rights protecting their software) you go on to say this.
I'm not on any "side." There are too many opinions (imo) for there to be only two sides. Sure, I think Sony is way out of bounds on this one, but at the same time, my reasons for thinking so are most likely different from reasons that others have for having the same opinion. Also, it is likely that your reasons for disagreeing with me are not completely opposite to my reasons for my opinion. It's not black and white.

The comment that you quoted was a result of me seeing soooooo many analogies throughout the three (I think three?) threads that have been spawned due to this PS3 hacking business. I haven't seen a good one yet.
    
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I'm not on any "side." There are too many opinions (imo) for there to be only two sides. Sure, I think Sony is way out of bounds on this one, but at the same time, my reasons for thinking so are most likely different from reasons that others have for having the same opinion. Also, it is likely that your reasons for disagreeing with me are not completely opposite to my reasons for my opinion. It's not black and white.

The comment that you quoted was a result of me seeing soooooo many analogies throughout the three (I think three?) threads that have been spawned due to this PS3 hacking business. I haven't seen a good one yet.
In one of those threads, I brought up the differences between Windows and PS3 and made a pretty good point. Someone asked why it is totally fine to create all kinds of programs for Windows, yet it's supposedly illegal to modify PS3's software to allow creation of software.

I argued that Windows is shared source, which means it is available for anyone to create programs for and either distribute them freely or sell them commercially, after standard approval procedures through Microsoft. PS3's software is not shared source, nor open source. Developers have to license Sony's software in order to develop a game for it. If Geo had approached Sony and had been approved for a license to freely or commercially distribute his tools, it would have been fine. We all know that wouldn't happen, which is also Sony acting within their rights in denying his request. Think of Geo's hack as a "game" that he developed and pushed out to millions of people without proper licensing.

There's a reason there is a distinction between open and closed source software. You cannot legally decompile closed source software without the developer's permission. Just as it is illegal to bypass the serial key encryption in Windows to use an illegal copy of Windows, it is illegal to bypass the PS3's security key to allow installing custom software onto the system. It's a security system put in place for a reason; to protect the developer's intellectual property. By unboxing your PS3 after purchasing, you are agreeing to Sony's terms of service, agreeing not to decompile the PS3 software nor bypass any sort of encryption.

It's just humiliating to me that OCN, filled with plenty of pretty intelligent PC-savvy members, are so blind and in denial about it being both illegal and wrong to not only decompile Sony's software, but release the tools worldwide to do so, and that Sony has every right to do what they're doing. It may be rightfully "frowned upon" they're retrieving the IP addresses of everyone who has viewed the instructional videos, but accusing them for invasion of privacy because of this is ridiculous. What do you have to hide? If you're not doing anything illegal, you should have no worries about Sony doing their job to protect the PS3 platform. I find it funny that over 99% of you have given more personal information about yourself to a local store CASHIER than Sony is collecting in IP requests, PS3 remote monitoring, etc. Ever bought condoms at the store? Porn? Handed someone your credit card and license? Maybe even your social security number on a credit card application? Hated to go off topic there I just wanted to bring up a proper analogical argument that I did post, in contrary to the other ridiculous drawings people have made. In the end my argument did connect back to the topic though.

I'm aware that these quotes are from the source, I just want to address all three of them:
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Strike 1: They sacrifice gaming quality by reducing its graphics hardware capabilities in order to include vastly expensive BD drives in their PoS3 and help them win the BluRay/HD-DVD format war.
How does this even relate? Off topic but: I highly doubt the PS3's graphics hardware potential would be any better if they never incorporated Blu-Ray into the PS3.

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Strike 2: Sony is a corporate THIEF. They advertise and sell a product with certain capabilities and features. Then they later take away some of those features rendering the product useless for some who certain features heavily. In specific, the features of the PoS3 (ability to run Linux and do Folding) that some people had factored into their purchasing decision and then later Sony STEALS that purchase back away from their customers.
OtherOS WAS NOT advertised. Even IF it was, the PS3's terms of agreement also grants Sony the right to remove any bit of software they please via updates, ESPECIALLY if it is necessary action to protect their intellectual property.

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Strike 3 (& you’re out!): They are now abusing the U.S. Federal Courts where normally you have to sue someone in the district where they committed the infraction against you (i.e. GeoHot in his district b/c he made the jailbreak in his home.) But yet they managed to convince some brain-damaged judge that because he posted it on the internet accessible from anywhere that they can sue him from where they want to in order to bypass another Judge’s ruling that ok’d Jailbreaking the iPhone because the Librarian of Congress ruled it did not violate the DMCA.
No. By that logic, I can launch a deadly radioactive agent into Georgia from across the border in Florida and can't be taken to court in Georgia.

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In general, the court will have jurisdiction if the defendant has some connection to the state you are suing in such that it is reasonable for the defendant to be forced into court in that state. For example, the defendant has a business in the state, or the lawsuit is about a product that the defendant sold in the state, or something the defendant did in his state had a predictable (and harmful) effect in the state where the lawsuit is brought.
By releasing the tools on the internet (world wide access) Geo's actions have a VERY easily predictable and obvious prediction that Geo's tools could cause harm regardless of which state he lives in.
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Strike 3 (& you’re out!): They are now abusing the U.S. Federal Courts where normally you have to sue someone in the district where they committed the infraction against you (i.e. GeoHot in his district b/c he made the jailbreak in his home.) But yet they managed to convince some brain-damaged judge that because he posted it on the internet accessible from anywhere that they can sue him from where they want to in order to bypass another Judge’s ruling that ok’d Jailbreaking the iPhone because the Librarian of Congress ruled it did not violate the DMCA.
Bah. This is not really an abuse of the courts. Get over it. If you feel you have a legitimate claim, sue Sony in a desirable circuit.
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Still think Sony is going overboard, the COE finally snapped. When Asus can make a more feature-filled laptop then Sony and sell it for less, they lose a customer. Not that it has ANYTHING to do with the topic I like how Sony "demands" the IP addresses.
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