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I used to not buy Sony products because they were bad. Now I'll not buy them on principle.
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This is getting ridiculous.

Screw you Sony.
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Originally Posted by Megas3300 View Post
Dear Sony,

Why didn't you get this pissed when I ran pirated software on one of your desktop computers?

Or when I hauled one out of a trash can, rebuilt it and sold it for a princely profit of $250?

Cry about it.

-With contempt
Megas3300
Dear Megas3300,

Why do you believe Windows operating system is the same operating system as the XMB?

Or that this isn't about hardware, but it is about software?

Read about it.

-With contempt
Zinxe

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Originally Posted by Megas3300 View Post
Do they own the games that people pirate. Most likely no.
They are publishers. Even so it doesn't matter, it hinders development and production on one of their products, so it effects them just the same as the game developers.

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I used to not buy Sony products because they were bad. Now I'll not buy them on principle.
On what principle, that content should be allowed to be exploited and terms of services are meaningless? You people are hopeless. Plus Sony products have never been bad, but usually innovative. They are usually over priced, but never "bad".

Also, the posts here where people believe Sony is wanting to go after all viewers of the video are ridiculous. It truly shows how stupid people are.
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Originally Posted by bomfunk
I wonder if anyone here would be slightly frustrated to find that their car has no air conditioning or heating after being taken to a dealership for maintenance, and when enquiring about it, being told that the car's AC removed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and then, when demanding for it to be fixed, being told that there's nothing that you can do since the car was never explicitly advertised as having AC and the car's "main property" isn't keeping you cool or warm.
Well, another person is added to the list of people who give bad analogies. Too bad the AC isn't apart of the firmware in which you don't own, thus your analogy is void. When you buy a console, you don't own the firmware. That is totally different from your car's ability to move physical objects to produce cooling. Even so, in such a hypothetical ridiculous case of yours, if the person who bought the car agreed to the terms that content can be removed from their vehicle at any maintenance to help improve the environment, then it would be the consumer's fault and completely fair and legal of dealership/producer/maintenance/etc.
The Toyota flaw could have easily been seen as a cruise control feature. I was thinking about buying one for that feature, but they removed it. So now I am extremely angry. I really want to reapply this feature for my personal gain, despite the fact it will potentially kill others. Roffle copter.
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He is pathetic, that is not only childish, but trashy.
Edited by Zinxe - 2/12/11 at 11:19pm
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Well, another person is added to the list of people who give bad analogies. Too bad the AC isn't apart of the firmware in which you don't own, thus your analogy is void. When you buy a console, you don't own the firmware. That is totally different from your car's ability to move physical objects to produce cooling.
No. The analogy is not void and you're just missing the point. The fact that Sony owns the firmware is irrelevant. What I'm saying is that they removed a feature from a product someone bought and I don't think they're right in doing so. Whether or not the manufacturer owns the particular object that enabled the feature in question to be used is not relevant.

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Even so, in such a hypothetical ridiculous case of yours, if the person who bought the car agreed to the terms that content can be removed from their vehicle at any maintenance to help improve the environment, then it would be the consumer's fault and completely fair and legal of dealership/producer/maintenance/etc.
Legal? I won't deny that. Fair? No, I don't think so, and that's what my argument's been about. I'm not questioning Sony's legal right to remove a feature, what I'm saying is that I don't think it's ethical or fair of them.

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The Toyota flaw could have easily been seen as a cruise control feature. I was thinking about buying one for that feature, but they removed it. So now I am extremely angry. I really want to reapply this feature for my personal gain, despite the fact it will potentially kill others. Roffle copter.
Stuck throttle could be seen as a "cruise control feature"? I hate to be anal but when stuck throttle causes a car to accelerate uncontrollably you can't call it a "cruise control feature" by definition since the car is, like I said, accelerating uncontrollably.
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see my .02 cents ....

so here it is. If i buy something, its mine. right? thats the way it works i payed for the hardware, and teh firmware that come installed on it. Its mine and it now belongs to me. Just ssaying this is stupid besides its the internet sony will never be able to get rid of that root key XD.
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Heavy Weight "Champion" Of Some Electronics, Sony Corp! Weighing at a Total Of 7 Trillion Dollars! Also known for being a *****!
Feather Weight Boxer of The Internet, Google! Weighing at 7 billion dollars, this man controls the Internet! He is also known for not giving a **** about any other company unless they can make money out of it!
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No. The analogy is not void and you're just missing the point. The fact that Sony owns the firmware is irrelevant. What I'm saying is that they removed a feature from a product someone bought and I don't think they're right in doing so. Whether or not the manufacturer owns the particular object that enabled the feature in question to be used is not relevant.

Legal? I won't deny that. Fair? No, I don't think so, and that's what my argument's been about. I'm not questioning Sony's legal right to remove a feature, what I'm saying is that I don't think it's ethical or fair of them.

Stuck throttle could be seen as a "cruise control feature"? I hate to be anal but when stuck throttle causes a car to accelerate uncontrollably you can't call it a "cruise control feature" by definition since the car is, like I said, accelerating uncontrollably.
Ok, progress. You acknowledge it is legal. Good start. Now, as for ethics.
While ethics is relative and should be completely absent from such scenarios, I'll humor you. You believe it is unethical for Sony to have removed a feature. They removed the feature to protect the console and content, along with other players. It was a hacker's loophole. So, the "ethics" sets in. Remove a feature a small fraction of people specifically bought the console for, in return saving countless of resources of inevitable exploits and protecting the integrity of development and network play. Or, keep the feature and satisfy the small fraction, and risk having exploit after exploit, damaging the community and integrity of the system. Logically, it makes more sense to satisfy the larger community and protect the original, main function of the console. At this point in time however, it is ironic. Though at the particular time when the decision was made, the more ethical choice was picked. It comes down to, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Not to mention... This "ethics" thing doesn't fly with this situation. According to Geo, this is an eye for an eye scenario. Are you saying it is ethical to crack a closed source system and publicly spreading it knowing it will cause monetary damage?
Now, personally I believe this otherOS thing is a complete BS scapegoat. The kid is arrogant and greedy, I have theories of his real reasoning, but I'm not buying that he did it for otherOS.
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Originally Posted by Zinxe View Post
Dear Megas3300,

Why do you believe Windows operating system is the same operating system as the XMB?

Or that this isn't about hardware, but it is about software?

Read about it.

-With contempt
Zinxe



They are publishers. Even so it doesn't matter, it hinders development and production on one of their products, so it effects them just the same as the game developers.



On what principle, that content should be allowed to be exploited and terms of services are meaningless? You people are hopeless. Plus Sony products have never been bad, but usually innovative. They are usually over priced, but never "bad".

Also, the posts here where people believe Sony is wanting to go after all viewers of the video are ridiculous. It truly shows how stupid people are.


Well, another person is added to the list of people who give bad analogies. Too bad the AC isn't apart of the firmware in which you don't own, thus your analogy is void. When you buy a console, you don't own the firmware. That is totally different from your car's ability to move physical objects to produce cooling. Even so, in such a hypothetical ridiculous case of yours, if the person who bought the car agreed to the terms that content can be removed from their vehicle at any maintenance to help improve the environment, then it would be the consumer's fault and completely fair and legal of dealership/producer/maintenance/etc.
The Toyota flaw could have easily been seen as a cruise control feature. I was thinking about buying one for that feature, but they removed it. So now I am extremely angry. I really want to reapply this feature for my personal gain, despite the fact it will potentially kill others. Roffle copter.


He is pathetic, that is not only childish, but trashy.
Although you do make some valid points, the last statement has no ground... OTHER OS function was advertised as a feature during initial sale of the PS3 when that option was available, and some have bought the PS3 just to be able to run linux on them, therefore yes if you remove the feature that was advertised during the time of purchase, is the same as removing an AC from the car that was advertised with having AC during initial purchase...
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Originally Posted by Megas3300 View Post
Dear Sony,

Why didn't you get this pissed when I ran pirated software on one of your desktop computers?

Or when I hauled one out of a trash can, rebuilt it and sold it for a princely profit of $250?

Cry about it.

-With contempt
Megas3300
Perhaps if geohot gives sony a sony vaio they will go easy on him. It will advertise both ps3 and vaio, two birds in one stone: there is no way to hack a sony product except with another sony product!
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