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Well to be fair I've never claimed nor thought otherwise, so I'd hardly call it a "start" at this point.

This I've gone through before. I don't know see how it would protect other players. A console hacker (also note that I'm using "hacker" to refer to someone who breaks/broke the system with malicious intent, like running pirated games, rather than your honest homebrew-otheros-yadayada hackers) won't go around blatantly wallhacking, aimbotting and generally ruining other people's games since that's a surefire way to get his console banned. Rather, he'd do that to, well like I said, pirate. Get free stuff. I, with what little knowledge I have of the PS3, see no way in which hacking would affect other users.

Now, for the "protection from piracy" part. This I'm not entirely sure about. I've never seen any concrete evidence anywhere that the feature could indeed be used to crack the system - it sounds more like high-ups who are more concerned with profit than the technical side of things overreacting.

See latter part of above. I don't believe the feature had as high potential for damage as it was made out to.

Not sure what you mean by bolded part. If you mean "protecting the community and other players", or the majority of PS3 users - well, like I said, I don't believe the removal of the feature actually achieves this. Also, I don't believe that doing wrong to a minority to "protect" the majority is right (read on for more).

Of course now, but it's always more complicated than this. Is it right to release info for a legitimate cause with even higher potential for misuse? In the end, I would say yes. I really don't side with the "majority argument" - better ten guilty be free than one innocent be punished. Of course, this isn't a rule that applies always, but in general I tend to think that if a technology, piece of information, a program, anything has a valid legitimate use, one shouldn't attempt to remove or criminalise it, even when the majority use it for a wrong cause.

Well, my personal belief on the matter, of course, is different. I make no judgement on his personality by what I read on the news, of course. The only thing I agree on is that he wouldn't do that only for this otherOS feature, but I'm not going to say that the "other reasons" are arrogance or greed.

Also, a note: I don't know everything. I will always reconsider my stance on an issue when they're challenged with solid facts and irrefutable evidence. At the moment, though, I'm simply not convinced that the threat was anywhere near great enough to warrant removal of a feature, however small the number of people actually making use of it.

LAST ADDENDUM TO MY WALL OF TEXT:
I do believe that, regardless of the scenario, considering subjective matters as well is very important and that ethical considerations are no less important than what the book of law says.
There have already been many cases of the PS3 crack defacing online games. Have you read the articles on Joystiq, Kotaku, and the alike, where these "hackers" have completely trashed the online play for CoD? There will be a fraction that uses it for malicious entertainment, there will be a larger use that uses it for piracy, and there will be smaller fraction to use it for legit purposes. Considering how easy it is for this particular crack, a large number of people will use the crack. Not to mention, the large number of sheeple revolutionist who want to stick it to the man and do it out of spite.

What people seem to be missing is, they can apply this crack legally. They are allowed to use the crack, at least for now. However, Geo is the one guilty for creating the crack. He is being punished for essentially forging signatures, extortion, etc. Not to mention, re-releasing reverse engineered copyrighted content to exploit a closed source system. So, no innocent parties are being punished here. For everyone else, you can apply the crack and you won't be sued. There will be firmware updates to patch the mods, but then you have a choice. PSN, future features, etc, or the crack.
So yeah, do what you want with the hardware you paid for. Though what Geo did was against the terms. I'm not sure if I'm being clear here or not, I hope you all can understand.

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Although you do make some valid points, the last statement has no ground... OTHER OS function was advertised as a feature during initial sale of the PS3 when that option was available, and some have bought the PS3 just to be able to run linux on them, therefore yes if you remove the feature that was advertised during the time of purchase, is the same as removing an AC from the car that was advertised with having AC during initial purchase...
Can you provide me a picture of any of their advertisements that specifically features the otherOS capability? I have the original phat box at home, but I'm up in a college dorm so I can't check it myself. If my memory serves me correctly, which usually does, it doesn't say it anywhere on the box.
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Although you do make some valid points, the last statement has no ground... OTHER OS function was advertised as a feature during initial sale of the PS3 when that option was available, and some have bought the PS3 just to be able to run linux on them, therefore yes if you remove the feature that was advertised during the time of purchase, is the same as removing an AC from the car that was advertised with having AC during initial purchase...
Tired of using the same 1-2 paragraph response to that, so here's the short version:

Nope, not advertised. Never advertised. Show me proof.

Even if it was advertised, which it wasn't, it is NOT the same as removing an A/C from a car that was advertised as having A/C, as Sony has the right to remove any feature from their software via updates. When you buy a car, the dealer's rights to remove anything from your car are not in the agreement.
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Tired of using the same 1-2 paragraph response to that, so here's the short version:

Nope, not advertised. Never advertised. Show me proof.

I don't know if this qualifies as proof,but it appears to be on the menu of this machine.
Check out the menu at 28 seconds:


Looks like a genuine Sony menu option to me.
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.... How is that even an advertisement?
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I don't know if this qualifies as proof,but it appears to be on the menu of this machine.
Check out the menu at 28 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXcuhJkwx4

Looks like a genuine Sony menu option to me.
There is a difference between someone else advertising a feature, and being an official advertisement.

Once again: Anyone who wanted OtherOS did not have to upgrade firmware, and could have kept the feature. So, even if you manage to find an official ad selling the OtherOS feature, anyone who lost it gave it up willingly.
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.... How is that even an advertisement?


It's not and I never said it was.
Get your facts straight.
It seems that home users arent the only ones who felt they were mislead.
The US Airforce is p*ssed too.


http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...and-Air-Force/


http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...banishes-H264/


Looks like Geohot has a chance here.
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It's not and I never said it was.
Get your facts straight.
It seems that home users arent the only ones who felt they were mislead.
The US Airforce is p*ssed too.


http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...and-Air-Force/


http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...banishes-H264/


Looks like Geohot has a chance here.
...

I think you need to get YOUR facts straight. When you posted that video, you were responding directly to MY request for someone to show proof of an advertisement. I'm failing to see how you're turning this on me now...

That lawsuit is from almost a year ago; it didn't get far. Final verdict: If you want to keep OtherOS, don't update.
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There is a difference between someone else advertising a feature, and being an official advertisement.

Once again: Anyone who wanted OtherOS did not have to upgrade firmware, and could have kept the feature. So, even if you manage to find an official ad selling the OtherOS feature, anyone who lost it gave it up willingly.

Not necessarily.
Like any other update,they could have done the deed without telling their users what they were doing.
Otherwise why would you do a PS3 update that you KNOW will kill your Linux install?
Remember Adobe's manual updates?
They went automatic somewhere around 8.5,IIRC.
Good bye Adobe,hello Foxit.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
...

I think you need to get YOUR facts straight. When you posted that video, you were responding directly to MY request for someone to show proof of an advertisement. I'm failing to see how you're turning this on me now...

That lawsuit is from almost a year ago; it didn't get far. Final verdict: If you want to keep OtherOS, don't update.
No,I said "I don't know if this qualifies as proof"....proof enough for you,apparently.
It would be reasonable to surmise that if it was an option before the firmware update,*someone* asked a Sony rep somewhere along the line about the extra O/S option on the menu [I doubt they missed that one].
Once word got out...word of mouth is the best advertizing...that's why so many people did it.
After all,most computer guys aren't totally brain dead [that includes the US Airforce].
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Originally Posted by ipod4ever View Post
Who cares who viewed it, i usually watch it out of curiosity. im sure alot of others do to.
yea, that's what I was thinking

I have a PS3, but hardly use it, it'd be cool just to see what it can do other than make PC games look like trash and run on one monitor

EDIT: why does it matter what OS you run on your system? That's as ludacris as gigabyte saying they won't allow users to run linux on their motherboards
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