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*sigh* AMD isn't that horrible .... I have an i7-970 system and a 1090t system. AMD can pretty much keep up with my 970, even surpass it on a multithread task. Doing an Intel build doesn't make it an epic build.
When you have $2700 to spend, why buy something for less performance where no matter what, that PC will be top of the line...

That's where we're getting at -- I'd get the 1090t if I needed and 'affordable' way to use 6 cores. But currently, the i7 980x is within the OP's budget where it still won't be "Well crap, I spent xxxx on this, I only have XXX on that."

It's like buying a 1024/768 monitor just for your GTX 590/95 or ATI 6990

It doesn't make any sense -- Get the best when you can afford it in my opinion otherwise, if you're into cost savings, go with AMD, but beware you're getting less performance
     
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I love AMD, but this isn't a gaming computer, the tasks he wants to do, the 980x will crush the AMD 6 cores....
I wouldn't say crush, however. Yes, the 980x will outperform the 1090t, but not $800 worth.
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NOOO!!! Do not go with the 980x (and yes I read the entire thread). Waste of money, the 1090t can perform just as good.
Oh can it -- I can see it perform in a multithreaded app

Other then that, no it will not -- That is just being a fan there, and you can't admit it's 'just as fast' cause it isn't...... please don't give John wrong information


EDIT: And quit changing from $600 to $800....
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For what he needs, it is NOT as fast, Price/performance ratio, yes you'd have an argument there. But he can afford the 980x, and his son will kill him if he opens up a 1090T. I guarantee it. The whole purpose of this is to make his SON happy.
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Ok, This thread has gotten insane, people haven't read half of it,and giving advice.

The 980x is a great choice for your son. He will use it. The Rampage III you added is great also. I have both, and can't complain. Any of the high end 1366 motherboard are good quality though. Keep that in your cart, you can't go wrong, for RAM, I would suggest

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145271

The only problem with that memory is that it will use up all the slots, if he wants to go to 24GB, he'll have to replace all of them, but 12 should be enough. Maybe someone that does more video editing stuff will be able to correct me there.

Send me a PM if you want, and if you have skype, that works better also, as you can chat in real time. But there is a lot of different opinions on here, and I think a lot of it has to do with not reading the thread through. (some still think you have $4K left to spend).
I agree with this
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When you have $2700 to spend, why buy something for less performance where no matter what, that PC will be top of the line...

That's where we're getting at -- I'd get the 1090t if I needed and 'affordable' way to use 6 cores. But currently, the i7 980x is within the OP's budget where it still won't be "Well crap, I spent xxxx on this, I only have XXX on that."

It's like buying a 1024/768 monitor just for your GTX 590/95 or ATI 6990

It doesn't make any sense -- Get the best when you can afford it in my opinion otherwise, if you're into cost savings, go with AMD, but beware you're getting less performance
As I have said before, the 980x isn't worth it. If it was around $600, then maybe I would agree. In real life performance, he probably won't notice the difference. Don't misunderstand me, I would absolutely love the 980x, but I can't justify the price.
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First thing, since you are using Newegg, combo deals are your friend. Look to see what is available for combo purchase to save. If you are going to buy multiple components, you might as well check if they have a combo deal. The 980x currently has 67 combo deals alone.

Next, to help with some confusion, here is a quick cliff notes version of what the hell everyone is talking about if you aren't sure:

Processors: Since we are on the Intel board, there are currently 3 families of processors available. The families are separated by socket (the shape of the hole they fit in). The current types are:

1156: -Pros: Great Value, Solid Performance -Cons: Fewer Lanes/PCI-Express Bandwidth (If using multiple graphics cards, this can bottleneck performance, but is unlikely)
Core i7-860, -870, -875K-Best
Core i5-750, -760-Other
1366: -Pros: Very Fast, 6-Core Support, Lots of Bandwidth -Cons: Expensive, tough sell when compared against Sandy Bridge
Core i7-965, -975 Extreme, -980X Extreme -Best
Core i7-920, -930, -940, -950,-970, -960-Other
1155 (Sandy Bridge [SB] - Currently supported by P67 Motherboards***): -Pros: Newest -Cons: Unavailable... For now.
Core i7-2600,Core i7-2600K; Core i5-2500, Core i5-2500K

***P67 Motherboards had issues recently, which is the reason they have been recalled and are going to be rereleased in a few weeks/months...

Motherboards: Choose based on processor and features. The more expensive boards are usually at a premium because they offer great stability and overclocking features. This could be important if your son is doing lots of encoding and processor intensive activities and overclocking can improve processor performance by unbelievable margins*
*If overclocking, it is a must to get a new processor cooler!!! The cooler that comes in the box with the processor is generally worthless, and can be ignored completely. If you are going to have an expensive processor, protect the damn thing with a good CPU cooler. There are many good ones out there, they are not that expensive, and I am sure others will have recommendations.

Ram/Memory: Dependent on Motherboard/CPU. 1156 and 1155 use dual channel memory (Sticks are placed on board in pairs) while 1366 uses triple channel memory (Sticks are places in threes). The benefits to each can be debated, but it is generally accepted that lower timings are better than higher frequencies. This means it is more stable, and will just be better in general.

Video Cards: Welcome to the world of FANBOYS. This means some people have extreme brand loyalty here and cannot give an unbiased opinion. There is ATI and NVIDIA. Both will have complaints of driver issues, but ignore that, as it is usually user error. Since you mentioned SLI, that is an NVIDIA technology so I assume that would be your sons preference. ATI has a version of that called CROSSFIRE. They allow multiple graphics cards to be connected and share processors for faster performance (But they don't share memory. This is important since that 30" monitor will need lots of memory). NVIDIA's current top of the line is the GTX 580. It is expensive, and fast, and has lots of memory. Getting a workstation card for an 18 year old that isn't the owner of a company that requires the direct supplier support for driver fixes is a waste of money. For the cost premium, it just doesn't make sense in this situation, regardless of whether he feels that way or not. As others have said, there are ways to tricking a standard card into looking like a workstation card in Photoshop of those features are really really needed (which they are likely not)

Power Supply: It's been mentioned before in the thread, but If using SLI, go with at least 800/850 Watt power supply. Modular Power supplies are much more expensive with the main benefit being you can unplug cables you don't need. This will only be important if you really care about neatness, and airflow, otherwise a standard/non-modular Power supply will work just fine.
Case: To many variables to account for. Usually picked on aesthetics and size. Since you are building a serious PC, go with a Full tower. Any full tower will have most/all of what you need (and likely more, i.e. water cooling setup support), so take your time and pick something that has good reviews and looks good to you/your son.

Hard Drives: There are two major types of hard drives currently. You have the cheap/big/slow mechanical drives. Two 1tb drives can cost just over 100 dollars and are well worth it. The expensive/small/FASTFASTFAST drives are Solid State Drives or SSD's. These are commonly used to install windows and large applications on (Photoshop/Video Software), In my machine I am running two mechanical drives in an RAID 0 Array (Look elsewhere for more info) for storage and a SSD Boot drive with windows installed on it.

Everything else is pretty straight forward, keyboard, mouse, blu-ray reader/writer dvd reader/writer, etc..
Once you decide on a processor, the rest falls in to place

And that is my
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Oh can it -- I can see it perform in a multithreaded app

Other then that, no it will not -- That is just being a fan there, and you can't admit it's 'just as fast' cause it isn't...... please don't give John wrong information


EDIT: And quit changing from $600 to $800....
Yea, I realize that the 980x would beat the 1090t in single/dual thread operations... but I doubt he will notice the difference. Anyways I have given my .02, take it or leave it.

Edit: The only reason I changed it to $800 was because the OP mention that fact that he would be saving $800.
Edited by cloudbyday - 2/9/11 at 7:17pm
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Hi, I think I was supposed to post here,

My Last Post, I accidentally posted it in "off Topic"

But pretty much, my son is turning 18 in 23days, he uses Cinema 4d, Photoshop/etc, and I Really want to get a nice computer for him, He currently uses a amd dual core 5600, with like 3Gigabytes of ram or something.

I Want this to be a surprise, and I have 4,000$ Saved up... for him, I just wanted to come here to post because It seems like this message board is big and alot of people know what there doing, so Why not.

Thanks -

John
If your son knows how to build computers and is very familar about the hardware he needs for what he does, the best thing you can do is take him to a computer store (MicroCenter, CompUSA, or something very similar or NewEgg Online Store) and let him pick out what he wants.

Here's a possible scenario...while the two of you are at the computer store or looking online, ask him if he had $4K, what type of hardware would he buy. Then after he selects everything, tell him, "Let's buy it."

That right there will still be a surprise because it's you buying all this for him while being with him.
Edited by drBlahMan - 2/9/11 at 7:18pm
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sidcitris, That helped alot. unfortunately I Am really stressed out, and hitting the sack. I Will be on tomorrow morning ASAP To check for replies/whatnot. I need some sleep, it's been a long day for me. GN everyone

-John
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