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I bet if we all try to conserve energy, there wouldn't be so much debate about trying to generate more. Look up phantom loads sometime an example. Just a thought...
    
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I bet if we all try to conserve energy, there wouldn't be so much debate about trying to generate more. Look up phantom loads sometime an example. Just a thought...
Oh I know about that too, my mom is strict about that. She has everything attached to power adapters and turns their switches off. If I'm not mistaken they have a physical switch, so that the power is actually off.

Either way I've herd about that before, just like people should use the low watt florescent bulbs. We use them in our entire house, 25W for every bulb. If you think about it, that's 1/3 of the amount most people use in a standard bulb (75W, at least most people use that here). I'm huge on green energy, recycling an the works. I also don't mind Nuclear energy, at lest it's cleaner than the alternatives (for now).
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No I understand that, as I said I never actually read up on the water car crap. I was way more interested in the Hydrogen Cells. I'm fully aware that they don't create energy, but it's something that could help us in terms of clean energy.
I really don't see how. Fuel cells at the moment would mean we would need to generate more power by burning coal or oil in a power station instead of a car, which would then incur generation and transportation costs.
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I really don't see how. Fuel cells at the moment would mean we would need to generate more power by burning coal or oil in a power station instead of a car, which would then incur generation and transportation costs.
There's a bunch of methods being looked into for getting hydrogen. You don't have to get hydrogen burning coal or oil, think more creative. Algae is one of the newer looked at studies, using algae farms to produce hydrogen. You can also produce it some other ways, a few extremely well, but I'm not exactly sure how well.

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/87/i32/8732notw.html

There's other companies working on some similar solutions, I remember watching videos. The point being, this is a very realistic viable solution in the near future.

[edit] It's also the hot talk for investing in R&D. If you want to go into fuel you want to go into hydrogen, don't dick around with OIL any more. It's going to go down eventually, leaving a lot of people angry. I think that's why the US car companies started making the electric. We need money, Europe wants a green planet, we export a green planet. It's just simple economics.
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/13/11 at 1:30am
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post #116 of 126
Nuclear power is also based off finite resources much like oil or coal.


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We used to have abundant and cheap electricity in the united states.
The age of cheap energy and energy reserves is slowly coming to an end.

I'm 42 now. I'm glad I'll probably be dead before a coming global blackout.


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I bet if we all try to conserve energy, there wouldn't be so much debate about trying to generate more. Look up phantom loads sometime an example. Just a thought...
Umm... what?

Why don't you look up Peak Oil and listen to both sides of that story.

As the population and energy use increases exponentially, our sources will be used up at exponentially faster rates. We're headed into an energy crisis of global proportions in the next 20-30 years that will revert civilization almost as drastically as industrialization changed it 100 some odd years ago.
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It seems to me that our society not only continues to waste energy and disconnect itself from conservation - we are actually accelerating the waste even though we could entirely be conserving.

Half our traffic could disappear if people just car pooled with one other person - even more if you pile in three or four people. Or the number of jets we could get rid of, jets that waste energy and inject pollution directly into the most sensitive parts of the sky, while our legislators continue to derail the obvious advantages that high speed rail has so clearly demonstrated in other countries. Jets are slow, if one factors in the fondling at the airport, the long waits because the obsolete fleet of jets breaks down so often, and the energy expended in ground crews destroying luggage or sending it on fifteen jets to far away places...
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Some ppl needs a physics class or two... lol
    
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It seems to me that our society not only continues to waste energy and disconnect itself from conservation - we are actually accelerating the waste even though we could entirely be conserving.

Half our traffic could disappear if people just car pooled with one other person - even more if you pile in three or four people. Or the number of jets we could get rid of, jets that waste energy and inject pollution directly into the most sensitive parts of the sky, while our legislators continue to derail the obvious advantages that high speed rail has so clearly demonstrated in other countries. Jets are slow, if one factors in the fondling at the airport, the long waits because the obsolete fleet of jets breaks down so often, and the energy expended in ground crews destroying luggage or sending it on fifteen jets to far away places...
High speed rail isn't advantageous if no one will ride it, it's just a waste of money.
    
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Nuclear power is also based off finite resources much like oil or coal.




The age of cheap energy and energy reserves is slowly coming to an end.

I'm 42 now. I'm glad I'll probably be dead before a coming global blackout.




Umm... what?

Why don't you look up Peak Oil and listen to both sides of that story.

As the population and energy use increases exponentially, our sources will be used up at exponentially faster rates. We're headed into an energy crisis of global proportions in the next 20-30 years that will revert civilization almost as drastically as industrialization changed it 100 some odd years ago.

EVERY energy is based on finite resources, some are just more economical then others.

Also, the amount of fossil fuels and their durability is still up for debate. Some geologists think the reserves are far more vast then what we could ever use.
    
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