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It was deemed to risky too bury, and too risky to move, but evidently it is just fine to let it sit above ground just outside of downtown.
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LOL that was actually pretty good editor skillz, props
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Rofl what?! Comparing routine construction project issues to going BILLIONS and YEARS over budget isn't gonna fly. The price of building a nuclear plant is being undersold in order to compete with solar. Once nuclear wins out, then the REAL price comes out.
So building a solar power plant won't have money / planning issues?


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They have, it's called SOLAR.
How does solar "remove the pollution from burning coal and other petroleum products."

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In NYC? Rent out the tops of roofs. Done deal.
You think nuclear is expensive . . .

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How long do solar planes last? Most panels now have about a 25 yr warranty.
They may have a 25 year warranty, but over time the panels slowly lose their ability to generate electricity. The panels do last a long time, but a nuclear plant can last longer then the panels do.

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Night time? I never said for us to switch to 100% solar, only that we could make it the majority of our power consumption and then maybe rely on nuclear for the remaining 25% or so.
The issue isn't just night time. Many of the northern states have very limited solar generation potential. During winter the output from the solar plant would also drop a decent chunk.

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Hail Damage? Man, I'm not an engineer, I don't know, but it sounds like you don't either and are just throwing random obstacles in the way.
I do admit that the chance of hail causing damage is slim it is still a possibility. Another hidden cost / issue is that the panels need to be regularly cleaned / washed.


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TWRs are as science fiction as Fusion reactors are. Until a TWR is built and working, you can't assume that they'll be there in time to clean up a mess you're making now.
Even if TWR's don't pan out, there is plenty of research in managing nuclear waste.

If the USA doesn't have the stomach to innovate nuclear energy, China will be happy to do it for us . . . http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...thorium-power/
Edited by AtomicFrost - 2/12/11 at 2:27am
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TWRs are as science fiction as Fusion reactors are. Until a TWR is built and working, you can't assume that they'll be there in time to clean up a mess you're making now.
Dismissing such technology without being open minded to allow it a chance is what holds scientific discovery back. In a recent TED Talk, Bill Gates talked about TWR and its necessity. He talked about how it is possible if people would take the time and effort to invest in it. I believe his foundation is putting quite a large stake in it.
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They may have a 25 year warranty, but over time the panels slowly lose their ability to generate electricity. The panels do last a long time, but a nuclear plant can last longer then the panels do.
Yes but with the solar plant upgrades to more efficient panels are a simple pull one out plug another one in you can't do that with a reactor. There is no logic in moving from one finite resource (oil) to another finite resource (uranium). We have the technology it's time we moved on to renewable sources.
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Just wanted to point out that still saying the security in Chernobyl was a joke is wrong. The problem with Chernobyl was that somebody forgot to run proper tests, the rods weren't pulled out in time because of human error. This has been debated and gone over TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Though you are right, it is completely safe. It is even less likely to happen due to most of that now being run by a machine, less human error.

And honestly, we don't have that bad of a waste problem. I mean, we could bury it for all we care. It's been thrown around many times that if we buried it in high sediment areas (sub sea burial in dense materials for example) that it would be completely safe. By the time leaking would occur it would most likely be so far down that it wouldn't effect the ecosystem above. Might kill off a bunch of micro organisms in the ground, but I'm not really THAT worried. That research was cut off and abandoned even though it had promise, because people wanted above ground solutions.

And it's not THAT hard to guard a dump site, you just have to put it into a good location. Put a dump site in a mountain, like we did, and just give it a good front door. Leave it there for a couple hundred years, by then we will have a solution. lol Or just leave it, doubt we will care about it in the next 100+ years.
I suppose you are correct that it was human error being the cause. However the safety protocols of the plant were still nowhere near what we have today and the reactor itself was pretty much hobbled together and just overall very poorly designed. The effected area would likely have been much smaller if the same type of event happened in a modern plant.
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You're right. My bad. It's like anywhere from 10k-100k.



Rofl what?! Comparing routine construction project issues to going BILLIONS and YEARS over budget isn't gonna fly. The price of building a nuclear plant is being undersold in order to compete with solar. Once nuclear wins out, then the REAL price comes out.



I already addressed these issues.



They have, it's called SOLAR.



In NYC? Rent out the tops of roofs. Done deal.

How long do solar planes last? Most panels now have about a 25 yr warranty.

Night time? I never said for us to switch to 100% solar, only that we could make it the majority of our power consumption and then maybe rely on nuclear for the remaining 25% or so.

Hail Damage? Man, I'm not an engineer, I don't know, but it sounds like you don't either and are just throwing random obstacles in the way.



TWRs are as science fiction as Fusion reactors are. Until a TWR is built and working, you can't assume that they'll be there in time to clean up a mess you're making now.
You do realize there is NO WAY IN HELL solar will ever be able to power a major city on it's own without massive breakthroughs in storing energy right? I would suspect it wouldn't be able to put out more than 30-40% at most of a major cities power needs. Nuclear is the only viable alternative to coal and oil. Also keep in mind the large cost up front is off set by the fact it is much cheaper to keep the plant running after being built compared to coal/oil, on top of that they put out much more power than anything else we have at this time. You have to look at the whole picture, not just the up front cost.


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Yes but with the solar plant upgrades to more efficient panels are a simple pull one out plug another one in you can't do that with a reactor. There is no logic in moving from one finite resource (oil) to another finite resource (uranium). We have the technology it's time we moved on to renewable sources.
There are plenty of other fissionable resources out there, thorium being the main one. We have enough thorium in the US alone to power our country for another thousand years.
Edited by scyy - 2/12/11 at 6:34pm
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FYI for people who are all "I DUN WANNA LIVE NEAR NUCLEAR REACTOR", coal fired power plants emit more radiation than them.

Also, the fast neutrons ejected from fusion are able to burn 99% of fissile wastes. Hybrid reactor ftw
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Just wanted to point out that still saying the security in Chernobyl was a joke is wrong. The problem with Chernobyl was that somebody forgot to run proper tests, the rods weren't pulled out in time because of human error. This has been debated and gone over TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
Uhh....you have it backwards. Chernobyl blew up because the control rods weren't inserted soon enough. When the were inserted, the graphite tips displaced coolant, increasing the power output of the reactor, which was starting its runaway reaction. Inserting the control rods was too little too late.
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Uhh....you have it backwards. Chernobyl blew up because the control rods weren't inserted soon enough. When the were inserted, the graphite tips displaced coolant, increasing the power output of the reactor, which was starting its runaway reaction. Inserting the control rods was too little too late.
oh lol, Watev, I just knew that there was human error. Haha, after reading that now I feel like a tard cause I know how a reactor works. At least the basics enough to know this, at least I should have known this. =P thanks for pointing it out though. =P
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