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Hi everyone!
I'm about to buy some parts for my first water loop, so I will really appreciate a quick sanity check.

Currently I have a mildly overclocked i7 2600k (to 4.3Ghz) cooled by Corsair H70, on a Sabertooth P67, as well as EVGA 580 GTX card (with a stock air cooler and reference clocks), all in 800d case.

Eventually I plan to add another 580, OC and WC both cards, and also dump my H70 in favor of a proper CPU block, with 1 triple rad on the top and 1 single rad at the rear - so the end result should be very close to what Velocd did in his thread, except I will probably end up using the rear rad as an intake for positive airflow (don't want to get the front bay fan section due to lack of space).

But since this is my first shot at watercooling, I thought I would try something simple first and just include a single 580 in my loop for now. At the same time I also want to add a second 580 and a CPU in the same loop later on, so I want to make sure it's 'future proof'.

Here's what I'm thinking about for now:

Loop:
(GPU): Res > Pump > 360 Rad > GPU > Res, with triple rad on top as exhaust
(CPU): H70 push-pull in the rear, as intake

(future loop: Res > Pump > 360 Rad > CPU > 120 Rad > 2 GPUs > Res)

The reason I want to use H70 (and then my future 120 rad) as an intake is because I want the positive air pressure in the case to push the dust out, and I don't want to mod the case or get the 5.25" bay fan section (don't have the space for it). I'm aware that H70 will suck the hot air in, but I'm hoping it's not going to result in too much heat inside the case because I'm WC'ing the video cards - right?

Pump + Res: Swiftech MCP355 (Laing DDC) with XSPC Acrylic Reservoir DDC Top... <edit> on a second thought, EK DDC X-RES Top 140 looks sexier IMO...although XSPC top is supposedly better performance-wise (per skinnealabs review) *sigh* decisions, decisions... </edit>

Rad: XSPC RX360 (also planning to add XSPC RX120 later on)

Tubing: PrimoFlex Pro LRT Black Tubing - 1/2in. ID X 3/4in. OD x10ft (I figured 10ft should be plenty for future upgrades)

Fittings: Bitspower Matte Black G1/4" 1/2" 3/4" - x5, and one Bitspower G1/4" 1/2" 3/4" 90' or 45' angle for the bottom of the video card - or should I get more than one 45'?

Fans: Gentle Typhoon AP-15 - x4 (3 for the rad, one for lower HDD drive cage where I have my two HDDs; my H70 already has 2 GT's)

VGA Block:
EK nVidia 580 GTX VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal - I don't know if there's any difference between Acetal and Nickel versions, so I chose Acetal just for the looks - please let me know if Nickel is better for performance reasons

Quick disconnects: I see everyone is getting Koolance QDC VL3N, but I would really like the matte black version to match the tubing/fittings - does Bitspower make quick disconnects at all?

Other stuff:
Antimicrobial silver strip
Aluminum black dust filters
Distilled water

It'd be great if you all could take a quick look and let me know if I'm missing anything. Any other suggestions are welcome too!

Thanks!
-DM
Edited by DM, M.D. - 2/9/11 at 10:11pm
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I just re-read my post and realized that it’s pretty vague and it’s missing specific questions, so here goes:

1. Do you see any immediate problems with the current setup?
. 1a. Is my airflow OK? (H70 as rear intake, 360 rad as top exhaust, Noiseblocker 140mm as bottom intake – no more fans in the case)
. 1b. Are all parts compatible with each other?

2. Any future problems when I add more stuff to the loop?
. 2a. Will these components (DDC pump + EK reservoir + 360 rad top exhaust + 120 rad rear intake) be enough for 1 CPU and GPU?
. 2b. Will my motherboard/memory become too hot if the 120 fan will be set up as rear intake? If yes, what’s the best way to avoid this without modding the case too much?

3. Finally, do you approve of my “baby steps” approach? Is it a good idea to start small with just one video card on the loop, in order to get familiar with the process (replacing the stock cooler, checking for leaks etc), or do you think upgrades would be too much pain (assembling/reassembling) and I should just do it once and for all and get it over with?

Thanks in advance for any comments! And sorry for the double-post.

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Answers; my opinions-

1. H70 + custom loop. Not 'bad'...(H70 -1, custom loop +5)
1a. Airflow is likely fine.
1b. If you have the same ID barbs, should be fine.

2. If you have enough rads, airflow and good blocks, you should be good to go.
2a. Yes to CPU+GPU
2b. MB/RAM shouldn't get hot if you have decent case airflow already.

3. Dive in head first...adding a block/rad later means you have to disassemble the entire loop.

Plus, its watercooling. Whether you know it now or not, you're gonna want to do more. Trust me.
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Great, thanks a lot for the advice! Sorry I forgot to mention, in 2a I actually meant CPU + 2 GPUs (i2600k OC’ed + two 580, also OC’ed)… will it still be enough or will I need a different config (e.g. 2 separate loops, extra rads)?

Also, I appreciate the advice on #3 – somehow I felt it might be easier to go “all inâ€, so thanks for steering me in the right direction!

I’m not really worried about having to buy the extra blocks etc – my main fear was that having all three power-hungry components (CPU + 2GPUs) on a single loop might make CPU temps even worse compared to a dedicated H70 – and as I understand from your response, it’s not the case, right?

So as long as you think I’ll be getting better CPU temps with everything on a single loop, I’m going to go for it! Will probably give away my H70 as a gift then

Cheers,
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A couple things - The 360 + 120 should be fine for CPU and GPU but adding another GPU I'd recommend getting a 240 instead of 120... Modern GPUs put out heat roughly equivalent of what a 2x120 rad can handle, so with 4x120 you'd be maxxed out on GPUs and start to see temps dropping. Also, drop the PrimoFlex tubing and get yourself some Tygon. R3400 black 1/2x3/4 at Sidewinders is $3.05/ft. Get at least 15 ft if you want extra to do future improvements... You'll go through tubing quicker than you think and Tygon is the highest quality on the market.

And last but not least, Rubix is absolutely right... you'll want to do more and more and more so be prepared to spend at least twice what you thought you would from the onset. And then some.

Oh yeah. Have fun! And post pics! We all want to see your progress too!
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If OP is wanting to run SLI 580's + CPU, might be better off to go with a custom loop from the start...skipping the Rasa. Rasa would be fine, but yes...he'd need AT LEAST an additional 2x120 with SLI+CPU.

This is why you need to think long term with watercooling...you can save yourself a lot of money if you have a good plan other than 'right now'.
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I would suggest if possible 2 loops. For 1 loop you coild get away w it.

We have stickies use them. Just a heads up

Go w the rasa xpsc rx kit for cpu and add onto the loop cooling gpu
- first option

Or cpu block a bigger res. 2 radiators maybe get away w a single 480 not sure and run 1 loop.
- second option

Someone could input ou on others. Check out frozencpu
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Originally Posted by jacobroufa View Post
A couple things - The 360 + 120 should be fine for CPU and GPU but adding another GPU I'd recommend getting a 240 instead of 120... Modern GPUs put out heat roughly equivalent of what a 2x120 rad can handle, so with 4x120 you'd be maxxed out on GPUs and start to see temps dropping.
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If OP is wanting to run SLI 580's + CPU, might be better off to go with a custom loop from the start...skipping the Rasa. Rasa would be fine, but yes...he'd need AT LEAST an additional 2x120 with SLI+CPU.
Thanks guys – I’m glad I asked because it seems that my fears have been confirmed I would gladly add another 240 or 360, my problem with that is there’s no space for it in 800D and I don’t want to mod it or go external... as a last resort I’m prepared to add another fan externally to the rear 120 rad for push-pull..

So any ideas on how to manage CPU + 2 GPUs in 800D without modding it or going external? (two separate loops, stronger fans, better rads, pumps etc?..) Btw I fully realize it’s not an easy task and that’s why I’m going with the custom loop from the start (vs. Rasa kit) - thanks again for confirming that this is the right way to go

I was actually inspired by Velocd’s thread here – his build is very similar to mine and he had similar concerns with modding/going external So to be honest I pretty much copied his setup , except I want to flip the rear 120 rad for intake to avoid putting the front bay fan section (although I will if you guys say I need to). Please let me know if you don't think his setup will work for me - if there's no way I could have CPU and dual GPUs on the same loop perhaps it is better to keep my H70 for CPU and use a triple rad for GPUs?

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Also, drop the PrimoFlex tubing and get yourself some Tygon. R3400 black 1/2x3/4 at Sidewinders is $3.05/ft. Get at least 15 ft if you want extra to do future improvements... You'll go through tubing quicker than you think and Tygon is the highest quality on the market.
Thanks jacobroufa – you’re reading my mind here I read good stuff about Tygon but to be honest I was just copying other people’s setup for the most part (*wink* Velocd – hope you don’t mind ) I also found Tygon on FrozenCPU (I like to use their site to look up specs), and it’s interesting how it says UV resistant – I understand it simply means that it doesn’t let the UV rays inside (as opposed to glowing in the UV light), but it also reminded me that I actually wanted UV tubing for good looks Problem is, I also wanted black color tubing (I saw some pics and liked the classy look), and I just couldn’t find good UV black color tubing anywhere (found Feser but the reviews aren’t that great). So if you know some good UV black tubing please let me know also - otherwise I'm going with Tygon per your advice

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Oh yeah. Have fun! And post pics! We all want to see your progress too!
Will do!! Thanks for your support!!
Edited by DM, M.D. - 2/10/11 at 2:10pm
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I would suggest if possible 2 loops. For 1 loop you coild get away w it.
OK so I could potentially get away with 1 loop, but 2 would be better - got it!

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Go w the rasa xpsc rx kit for cpu and add onto the loop cooling gpu
- first option
Just to confirm, did you mean the 360 rasa kit or the 240/120 one? If it's anything larger than 120 it won't fit into my case assuming I use another 360 rad for the GPUs... Also, when you say 'add onto the loop cooling gpu' - did you mean a separate loop cooling both GPUs? What are my rad choices then?

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Or cpu block a bigger res. 2 radiators maybe get away w a single 480 not sure and run 1 loop.
- second option
Sorry I didn't get it Could you explain a little more, like you would to a complete n00b that I am?

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We have stickies use them. Just a heads up
Thanks - I checked out the stickies and I found them, and these forums in general, very useful (they gave me enough confidence to start my own WC loop). I've been lurking for several weeks now and I thought I read all the basics threads but could have missed some.
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Single loop; dual loops won't benefit you, esp. if you are short on space as it is.

If you are going to run SLI, just might as well start with a custom loop:

MCP355 with a top/res or a pump/bay res
2 3x120 rads
2 GPU blocks
1 CPU block

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