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Q: Won't my fans burn out in mineral oil?
A: If the fans are spinning, probably not. There is a common misconception that mineral oil computers should use no fans or have the fans set on low. While I agree with the former point as a viable option, I have to disagree with the latter. If anything, causing the fans not to spin will burn them out; this is easily observed when a case fan gets somehow obstructed and the DC motor burns out. From my experiences, I prefer leaving the fans in: I find that they help with circulation.
Unless you just unplug it or tell it to turn off.... Are you suggesting some people might jam something into the fan to keep it from spinning?
 
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Unless you just unplug it or tell it to turn off.... Are you suggesting some people might jam something into the fan to keep it from spinning?
I'm saying that setting the fan speed too low might actually cause the fan to stop spinning. This could have a similar effect to taking a perfectly working fan on air and holding the blade in place. Practical upshot: if the fan stops spinning, the motor might burn out.
    
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post #33 of 60
Thanks for enlightening me on oil-cooling. I dont think it would be for me but it certainly is interesting.

Ive heard of folders running oil farms, now I have an idea of what that actually involves.

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Saw 40C at idle.

Laughed.
Remember what you're cooling, though. EVERYTHING. That's not too shabby, all things considered.
    
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Pictures added to original post. As of right now, I've got them uploaded on SkyDrive, so you'll need Silverlight installed. I'll work on taking some new pictures and uploading them onto this website.
    
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Here's the problem with mineral oil cooling:

Yes, initially the temps are awesome, but the oil also keeps the heat within the case - there is nowhere for the heat to dissipate, unless you run it through a rad with a pump (normal WC setup). If you do that, no matter which pump you go with the oil WILL kill your pumps.
You can buy cheap yum cha 12v oil pumps from ebay that will be able to pump the mineral oil out a plug at the bottom of the tank, through a oil cooler and back into the top of the tank without any problems.

If you wanted to get really serious, you can buy high performance automotive electronic oil pumps for a couple hundred dollars (not too far off the cost of a decent water pump) that will work for years pumping the mineral oil in your case/enclosure through a radiator - afterall, this is pretty much what ppl have been doing in motorsport for years to cool diff and transmission oil

As for cooling, if you use a suitable sized oil cooler/heat exchanger you should be able to keep everything near ambient (and I mean everything that is submersed in the mineral oil), not just the cpu, nb or gpu chips) - which is something that watercooling can't do, as they can only cool things that have a water block
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You can buy cheap yum cha 12v oil pumps from ebay that will be able to pump the mineral oil out a plug at the bottom of the tank, through a oil cooler and back into the top of the tank without any problems.

If you wanted to get really serious, you can buy high performance automotive electronic oil pumps for a couple hundred dollars (not too far off the cost of a decent water pump) that will work for years pumping the mineral oil in your case/enclosure through a radiator - afterall, this is pretty much what ppl have been doing in motorsport for years to cool diff and transmission oil

As for cooling, if you use a suitable sized oil cooler/heat exchanger you should be able to keep everything near ambient (and I mean everything that is submersed in the mineral oil), not just the cpu, nb or gpu chips) - which is something that watercooling can't do, as they can only cool things that have a water block

This guy gets it.
    
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The problem is, the benefits of oil cooling are not worth the costs. The extra cooling you get to components that are not normally cooled is not needed. But you do have the added trouble of trying to clean up a mess if you ever want to sell the components or simply upgrade. It won't help your overclock, it won't get your critical components any cooler, it will increase the mess.

There are all types of small spaces under mosfets and other things that you can't get in and clean without letting the board sit in some type of solvent or something.
 
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The problem is, the benefits of oil cooling are not worth the costs. The extra cooling you get to components that are not normally cooled is not needed. But you do have the added trouble of trying to clean up a mess if you ever want to sell the components or simply upgrade. It won't help your overclock, it won't get your critical components any cooler, it will increase the mess.
That's not really true. I was able to get another 200Mhz out of my processor, and another 200Mhz out of my NB at temperatures that were 10c cooler (!!!) than on air. I'm positive that I could go even higher, but I don't feel like running more volts through my rig.

I'm not sure that you can make an accurate cost/benefit analysis if you haven't actually built an oil cooled pc...I'm not trying to flame, I just think that what you said is not corroborated by my own personal testing.
    
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