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That's not really true. I was able to get another 200Mhz out of my processor, and another 200Mhz out of my NB at temperatures that were 10c cooler (!!!) than on air. I'm positive that I could go even higher, but I don't feel like running more volts through my rig.

I'm not sure that you can make an accurate cost/benefit analysis if you haven't actually built an oil cooled pc...I'm not trying to flame, I just think that what you said is not corroborated by my own personal testing.
Yeah, you may get better temps than air... I doubt the air setup compared was something like a TRUE or Megahalem, both of which are within around 5C of the top watercooling systems out there if done right. You won't topple watercooling temps (again, when done correctly) with a mineral oil cooling setup and watercooling is MUCH easier to clean.

I've worked extensively with MO, it's used in all the large transformers at the plants and we do vaccum testing/cleaning on them. It is some messy stuff if it gets spilled and requires a solvent to clean (not so much requires, as is a complete pain to clean without).
 
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Yeah, you may get better temps than air... I doubt the air setup compared was something like a TRUE or Megahalem, both of which are within around 5C of the top watercooling systems out there if done right. You won't topple watercooling temps (again, when done correctly) with a mineral oil cooling setup and watercooling is MUCH easier to clean.

I've worked extensively with MO, it's used in all the large transformers at the plants and we do vaccum testing/cleaning on them. It is some messy stuff if it gets spilled and requires a solvent to clean (not so much requires, as is a complete pain to clean without).
Again, I have to respectfully disagree. Mineral oil cooling is so incredibly flexible. One can cool the oil down to, and below, ambient temperatures without worrying about condensation. A dude on here took his whole mineral cooling rig and stuck it outside in below freezing temperatures. I've heard of people pumping the oil through a water chiller as well. Anytime you run sub-ambient temperatures in a water cooling setup, condensation will be an issue. Not so with mineral oil. Heck, I've even seen guys throw chunks of dry ice into the oil. Not that I'd do this on a daily basis, of course, but try that with a water cooling set up. Not feasible.
    
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Again, I have to respectfully disagree. Mineral oil cooling is so incredibly flexible. One can cool the oil down to, and below, ambient temperatures without worrying about condensation. A dude on here took his whole mineral cooling rig and stuck it outside in below freezing temperatures. I've heard of people pumping the oil through a water chiller as well. Anytime you run sub-ambient temperatures in a water cooling setup, condensation will be an issue. Not so with mineral oil. Heck, I've even seen guys throw chunks of dry ice into the oil. Not that I'd do this on a daily basis, of course, but try that with a water cooling set up. Not feasible.
All you have to do is insulate the watercooling setup, which is still easier to clean than mineral oil. Now to insulate the socket is not as easy to clean, just as hard as mineral oil.
 
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All you have to do is insulate the watercooling setup, which is still easier to clean than mineral oil.
But it only cools specific components (ie. whatever you have waterblocks for). Submersion will cool all components that are submersed.

Also, the large majority of users don;t insulate anything when they watercool their rigs.

Most would run a simple test to see if there are visible leaks and if all goes well they put the waterblocks on they're done - no insulation at all.

And if/when it did spring a leak, there is the possibility of component failure due to electrical short.

The only damage that might occur with submersion cooling is if you fail to keep the oil cool and components overheat and fail.

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Now to insulate the socket is not as easy to clean, just as hard as mineral oil.
Not sure how you think dropping a mobo into a pool of mineral oil is hard


Saying all that - at the end of the day it comes to what the user's goal is. If they want sub ambient cooling, they'll almost certainly go to phase, if they want to improve on air with the least amount of effort they'll go water.

Submersion is not for everyone, but it does have some unique benefits that some users are after
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But it only cools specific components (ie. whatever you have waterblocks for). Submersion will cool all components that are submersed.

Also, the large majority of users don;t insulate anything when they watercool their rigs.

Most would run a simple test to see if there are visible leaks and if all goes well they put the waterblocks on they're done - no insulation at all.

And if/when it did spring a leak, there is the possibility of component failure due to electrical short.

The only damage that might occur with submersion cooling is if you fail to keep the oil cool and components overheat and fail.
The point being, all that extra cooling is completely unnecessary. Having your caps a little cooler or your mosfets a little cooler won't make much of a difference.

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Not sure how you think dropping a mobo into a pool of mineral oil is hard

Saying all that - at the end of the day it comes to what the user's goal is. If they want sub ambient cooling, they'll almost certainly go to phase, if they want to improve on air with the least amount of effort they'll go water.

Submersion is not for everyone, but it does have some unique benefits that some users are after
No, I mean it is just as hard to clean a socket that has been insulated the typical way vs mineral oil.


Basically, anything (almost) you gain with mineral oil cooling over watercooling, whether it be chilled or not, is negligible. It can be done with watercooling for just as much, if not less mess. Not trying to be the debbie downer in this thread. Mineral oil cooling is fun, and neat, just not very useful, at least IMO. Probably gonna cost more to go watercooling, but then again, you can easily re-sell the components.
 
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A dude on here took his whole mineral cooling rig and stuck it outside in below freezing temperatures.
I believe you are talking about me

Sorry I'm jumping on this thread a few months late. To answer most doubters who have NEVER done this before:

1. Oil is messy period. If done correctly you can manage.
2. Oil will cool WAY better because it cools EVERYTHING evenly (with proper circulation).
3. You do not have to worry about condensation, sub zero temps no problems
4. AMD chips (Phenom II's especially) love the cold, you will overclock better with oil...trust me.
5. The oil will heat up overtime, however it still works well. My rig didn't have a radiator and I ran a minecraft server for MONTHS without letting it cool down. Longevity is not an issue

Thank you Wildcat for putting this together.
I've since retired my project, but I am considering purchasing the V3 kit from Puget. My project was solely intended to test the viability of mineral oil submersion, I've proved that it works (and works well), so now I can move on to a "prettier" oil rig
    
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I believe you are talking about me

Sorry I'm jumping on this thread a few months late. To answer most doubters who have NEVER done this before:

1. Oil is messy period. If done correctly you can manage.
2. Oil will cool WAY better because it cools EVERYTHING evenly (with proper circulation).
3. You do not have to worry about condensation, sub zero temps no problems
4. AMD chips (Phenom II's especially) love the cold, you will overclock better with oil...trust me.
5. The oil will heat up overtime, however it still works well. My rig didn't have a radiator and I ran a minecraft server for MONTHS without letting it cool down. Longevity is not an issue

Thank you Wildcat for putting this together.
I've since retired my project, but I am considering purchasing the V3 kit from Puget. My project was solely intended to test the viability of mineral oil submersion, I've proved that it works (and works well), so now I can move on to a "prettier" oil rig
Thanks! I really should update this...

I've recently hooked up my mineral oil bath to an aquarium chiller (phase change). I should stick some pictures on here. I can chill the oil to sub-ambient temperatures pretty nicely!
    
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