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Hey everyone. I want to upgrade my GT5408 desktop for above-casual gaming.. it currently has a 1.8 GHz E3400 and an 8600 GTS.. very outdated

Here's my mobo:
http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...6160Rsp2.shtml

And here is my low-end Newegg wishlist:
http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/Pub...umber=19423967

Medium-end:
http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/Pub...umber=16646186

Higher-end:
http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/Pub...umber=16646206

Does this look fine? Will everything be like compatible? (As in the sockets, wattage, etc.)

My budget is around $400. With the lower-price wishlists I figured I could spend the rest on other goodies and/or save some money.. I was thinking:

RAM (I currently have 3 GB of DDR2)
HDD (320 GB is really small)
Better power supply (if I buy other "goodies")

Also, I have an Intel thread here: http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...l#post12341969
Should I go the Intel way instead? Buy an Intel mobo and quad core? I read that it's more expensive..
Edited by gh0st3 - 2/10/11 at 8:22pm
post #2 of 13
your newegg.ca links are broken

if your in canada try http://ncix.com for parts

are you going to re-use the cas/psu/optical drives ect..?

most oem cases can be difficult to reconnect the front panel connectors on
often they have one connector for power/reset/led's/usb/audio ect..
and their power supplies are generally weak
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well I just fixed the links so try them again (i converted them to public).. they work for me :/

And I am going to re-use the case.

I previously bought a 450w (iirc) PSU and recently I bought a new optical drive.
post #4 of 13
You are a bit off on your builds. The 925 is a better cpu than an X4.

Also, your ram will not work in an AM3 mobo. Needs to be AM2+. Stay away from any of those psus that you put in your lists. Stick with a quality brand. If you must, wait longer to save the money. The psu is one of the most important part of your build even though you will see no performance gain from it (other than good stability for a good oc). You will however notice the performance loss from a bad one....sparks and instability.

Here is a quick build for you:

Mobo: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=43...S&promoid=1283 $77.90 with promo code 43357-1283 (ends 2/16/11)
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103871 $105 shipped
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814150501 $126 shipped after $20 mir ($5 more than the saphire, but has a lifetime warranty and is physically smaller to better deal with your oem case)
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371030 $64 shipped

Total = $372.90 shipped after $20 in rebates.

Also, noticed that you have 3GB of ram - what setup? (3x1, or 2+1). AMD used dual channel (1+1, 1+2, or 2+2), so keep that in mind. If you need to upgrade your ram, go with an AM3 mobo as the DDR3 is considerably cheaper than DDR2.

Alternate build with AM3 mobo and DDR3

Mobo: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=46...nufacture=ASUS $71.43 after $10 mir
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103871 $105 shipped
Ram: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820145260 $50 shipped after $10 mir (maybe price match at ncix to get rid of the shipping charges?)
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814162063 $105.74 after $30 mir
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371030 $64 shipped

Total = $396.17 shipped after $50 in rebates.


Either of these setups will yield excellent results especially assuming you are not running 1080 resolution.

Edit: Just found this deal on Ncix : http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37...y&promoid=1283 $30 after $20 mir. Adjust prices above accordingly.

Note: XFX recommend a 500w psu for their 5770, but you could get away with a 400w unit on the GTS450 (although I like to have at least a little juice in reserve should I choose to upgrade in the future)
Edited by Badwrench - 2/11/11 at 5:14am
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post #5 of 13
Athlon II x4 is out of stock at Newegg
But you can get it here at NCIX in combo deal with some decent Kingston HyperX Ram for $47, or with a Seasonic 520W for $60 (NCIX's version of combo deals aren't price-matchable, but they can be unbeatable sometimes i.e. x4 640 + Seasonic 520W PSU)
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Badwrench View Post
You are a bit off on your builds. The 925 is a better cpu than an X4.

Also, your ram will not work in an AM3 mobo. Needs to be AM2+. Stay away from any of those psus that you put in your lists. Stick with a quality brand. If you must, wait longer to save the money. The psu is one of the most important part of your build even though you will see no performance gain from it (other than good stability for a good oc). You will however notice the performance loss from a bad one....sparks and instability.

Here is a quick build for you:

Mobo: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=43...S&promoid=1283 $77.90 with promo code 43357-1283 (ends 2/16/11)
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103871 $105 shipped
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814150501 $126 shipped after $20 mir ($5 more than the saphire, but has a lifetime warranty and is physically smaller to better deal with your oem case)
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371030 $64 shipped

Total = $372.90 shipped after $20 in rebates.

Also, noticed that you have 3GB of ram - what setup? (3x1, or 2+1). AMD used dual channel (1+1, 1+2, or 2+2), so keep that in mind. If you need to upgrade your ram, go with an AM3 mobo as the DDR3 is considerably cheaper than DDR2.

Alternate build with AM3 mobo and DDR3

Mobo: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=46...nufacture=ASUS $71.43 after $10 mir
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103871 $105 shipped
Ram: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820145260 $50 shipped after $10 mir (maybe price match at ncix to get rid of the shipping charges?)
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814162063 $105.74 after $30 mir
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371030 $64 shipped

Total = $396.17 shipped after $50 in rebates.


Either of these setups will yield excellent results especially assuming you are not running 1080 resolution.

Edit: Just found this deal on Ncix : http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37...y&promoid=1283 $30 after $20 mir. Adjust prices above accordingly.

Note: XFX recommend a 500w psu for their 5770, but you could get away with a 400w unit on the GTS450 (although I like to have at least a little juice in reserve should I choose to upgrade in the future)
Alright well here's my list. Does this look good? Is the PSU sufficient?

Mobo: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=46...nufacture=ASUS
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...-390-_-Product
PSU: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37...y&promoid=1283
CPU: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...4&promoid=1283
RAM: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42...l&promoid=1283
post #7 of 13
RipJaws are good memory, However, I had an issue with getting them to run at the correct speeds in my Asus board. Keep in mind you will probably have to enter your RAM timings and voltage manually as well as adjust your CPU/NorthBridge Frequency. I had to take mine from 200 to 240 which set my clock speed from 2.6 to 3.12. Actually I did my first overclock by accident while doing this. Runs stable. I, from personal experience have had better performance with using Radeon Graphics in an AMD system. But that is just my opinion. Or, maybe you can just say i like things thoroughbred.
Overall, it dont look like a bad upgrade. Though Understand if you put this stuff in your case and hook up your hard drive, your Windows will NOT load. Nor will your install disk. You are going to need to replace your operating system if you dont already have a commercial Windows disk.

Ohh, Realized something else. You will have to realize that your existing HDD is IDE according to your current Motherboard specs. Keep in mind that the new board you are putting in there is designed for SATA. There is an IDE port on the new board. I guess you can try to configure your HDD and Optical drive on the same IDE ribbon. But isn't that defeating the purpose a little?
Edited by Bubsterfinster - 2/11/11 at 7:43pm
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Get a good quality power supply. I'd go with a single rail, but if you choose a multi-rail research what each of the rails is for and make sure you have enough on each rail for how you will plan to set it up.

The Seasonic xD recommended is a great unit, and that combo deal with the Athlon II X4 is a good deal.
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Originally Posted by Bubsterfinster View Post
RipJaws are good memory, However, I had an issue with getting them to run at the correct speeds in my Asus board. Keep in mind you will probably have to enter your RAM timings and voltage manually as well as adjust your CPU/NorthBridge Frequency. I had to take mine from 200 to 240 which set my clock speed from 2.6 to 3.12. Actually I did my first overclock by accident while doing this. Runs stable. I, from personal experience have had better performance with using Radeon Graphics in an AMD system. But that is just my opinion. Or, maybe you can just say i like things thoroughbred.
Overall, it dont look like a bad upgrade. Though Understand if you put this stuff in your case and hook up your hard drive, your Windows will NOT load. Nor will your install disk. You are going to need to replace your operating system if you dont already have a commercial Windows disk.

Ohh, Realized something else. You will have to realize that your existing HDD is IDE according to your current Motherboard specs. Keep in mind that the new board you are putting in there is designed for SATA. There is an IDE port on the new board. I guess you can try to configure your HDD and Optical drive on the same IDE ribbon. But isn't that defeating the purpose a little?
Interesting.. so I'll need to reinstall my operating system and therefore erase all my files?

And my hard drive is SATA while the DVD drive was IDE
It's all good though because I bought a SATA DVD drive a few weeks back

I'm going to go check out my local Tigerdirect for as many parts as I can get in stores
post #10 of 13
I advise you to get at least an OEM copy of Windows 7. You can get it for 99 bucks at NewEgg for 64 Home Premium, you will get the best out of your system. Know this, Windows, for security reasons activates from your motherboards fingerprint. You cannot change motherboards and use the same copy of Windows.
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