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Ehh... not really... they would be providing information on a team of people who illegally modified closed source software.
Hold the phone. Did you watch the fail0verflow video? AFAIK (and I could very well be wrong) they figured out the PS3 master key that was supposed to be based on a random value but was based on a costant instead. They didn't actually hack the PS3. Am I wrong? What happened exactly? Cause if they only found the flaw itself, they didn't do anything illegal, regardless of how you look at it.
    
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Had this been foreign terrorist who found a way to crack any US military code, and offered it to Al Qaeda and whoever else wanted it, which disclosed all soldiers positions and logistics, all over the world, many of you would be singing a completely different tune.

The law is the law, and if you break it, there should always be consequences. Consequences that are just and befitting the crime that is..
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Had this been foreign terrorist who found away to crack any US military code, and offered it to Al Qaeda and whoever else wanted it, about soldiers positions and logistics, all over the world, many of you would be singing a completely different tune.

The law is the law, and if you break it, there should always be consequences. Consequences that are just and befitting the crime that is..
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Not bashing you directly, but this is hilarious when applied to what many others are saying.

"Providing the IP address of someone is illegal." (It's not, but let's say it was) What will most of you feel if Sony's lawsuits fail, making PS3 totally void of any software protection rights, the PSN database some day gets compromised, and your IP address and other information like credit card information is at risk of being sold to criminals? I bet you would hop the wall and say Sony should have taken preventative measures to stop all this hacking. I'm waiting for it to happen. Seriously, anxious for it to happen to see how everyone QQs about Sony not doing anything about it. I just find it so ridiculously obvious that 90 or so percent of you that are apparently so against Sony fighting to protect their rights are pirates. When the negatives turn on you, you'll think different. When hackers start pouring into your precious online games, you'll still bash Sony for doing a bad job at preventing hacks.
Except the fact...I don't own a ps3...or anything by sony
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Hold the phone. Did you watch the fail0verflow video? AFAIK (and I could very well be wrong) they figured out the PS3 master key that was supposed to be based on a random value but was based on a costant instead. They didn't actually hack the PS3. Am I wrong? What happened exactly? Cause if they only found the flaw itself, they didn't do anything illegal, regardless of how you look at it.
End of story is they bypassed the security; doesn't matter how you do it, you bypassed security of closed-source software. If I have a poor-quality lock on my front door, would it be legally ok for you to slip a pick into it and unlock it? There's a REASON we have a clear distinction between open and closed source; what would be the point of having the distinction if it would be fine to do such a thing to closed-source software?

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Except the fact...I don't own a ps3...or anything by sony
Hmmm... No movies on DVDs? Music albums? All (mostly) Sony Entertainment.
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that sums up sony well
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End of story is they bypassed the security; doesn't matter how you do it, you bypassed security of closed-source software.
Actually, as far as I know, they solved two equations with two unknowns. Last time I checked that isn't illegal. Care to show me what they did that WAS illegal? It sounds like you aren't so clear on the details yourself, and are just throwing around blanket statements such as "they broke the law."
    
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Lol@Sony.
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I watched the fail0verflow video. All they said was Sony's encryption algorithm was flawed. They said it was impossible to solve an equation with 2 unknowns. However Sony's random variable was actually a constant. There was only one unknown in the equation after substitution.

Basically, that flawed programming allowed anything to be signed by the Sony encryption app. Fail0verflow never modified any Sony code at all.
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Actually, as far as I know, they solved two equations with two unknowns. Last time I checked that isn't illegal. Care to show me what they did that WAS illegal? It sounds like you aren't so clear on the details yourself, and are just throwing around blanket statements such as "they broke the law."
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Through the use of what they termed "simple algebra" they had managed to exploit a weakness in the PlayStation 3's encryption system, thereby gaining the public key required to run any software on the machine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ion-3-hack-ps3

License agreement for use of the PS3 system:

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2. RESTRICTIONS

You may not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, adapt, or translate any portion of the System Software. To the fullest extent permitted by law, you may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the System Software, or create any derivative works, or otherwise attempt to create System Software source code from its object code. You may not (i) use any unauthorized, illegal, counterfeit, or modified hardware or software in connection with the System Software, including use of tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism for the PS3™ system; (ii) violate any laws, regulations or statutes, or rights of SCE, its affiliated companies, or third parties in connection with your access to or use of the System Software, including the access, use, or distribution of any software or hardware that you know or should have known to be infringing or pirated; (iii) use any hardware or software to cause the System Software to accept or use unauthorized, illegal, or pirated software or hardware
http://www.scei.co.jp/ps3-eula/ps3_eula_en.html

"To the fullest extent permitted by law" refers to closed-source software and intellectual property protection rights. The EULA is within the law, making the agreement totally binding and legal. A EULA saying "Your soul is ours" would not be legally binding as it is ridiculous and not something protected within the laws of IP protection. The EULA also mentions that Sony may, at any time, remove ANY previously functioning features. Especially if within their rights to protect their property, removing the OtherOS feature was completely within their EULA as well as rights.
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