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What happens to the remaining storage capacity of the larger drives? they just don't get used? and i have alot of games resulting from a huge huge moving sale. Right now i have 216 games on my pc. I am not sure how much space because i haven't had the chance to install all of them
You really don't want to RAID a SSD and a mechanical drive, I was just pointing out that you don't need "the exact same drive" to make a RAID array.

If you do decide to get SSDs, you're not going to want to use them for storage. You're only going to use them for Windows / games / programs. Everything else, you should store on your mechanical drives.

In addition to my SSD RAID, I have a 1 TB drive where I keep all my pictures, music, game install files, movies etc.

So figure out how much space you're going to need for your OS and all your programs and games and that will tell you how much SSD storage you're going to need.

I'm guessing you don't have more than 256GB of programs and OS, so with your budget I'd tentatively recommend a 256GB SSD or RAID 0 2 x 128GB SSDs. Like I said, the Sandforce 1200 controller drives and the Crucial C300 drives seem to perform the best right now. Watch out for the Vertex 2 drives, I read today that they have started using new memory that isn't as good.

One more thing to note, SSD sizes are sort of shady. A 64GB SSD will frequently only have 60GB of space since they are "overprovisioned," and the overprovisioned space is unusable. Something to keep in mind.
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But it's up to you badatgames.
lol...

For some reason I'm reminded of the guy who told me he can see 2-3 more frames of a grenade going across the screen than I can because he has a 120hz monitor and mine was my 60.

The kicker was that he said those extra frames would allow him to gauge the trajectory of the grenade to better evade it.
    
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It's funny that so many threads are starting here, without doing any "googling" first. Well do I buy this or that ? what is better?? should I then do this or that ?
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there is no "scaling" if your mobo has two16x pci E slots running at the full 16x speeds, depending on your mobo and how it scales there is a hit to the performance but it is very minimal.
That is not what he means by scaling.

If you have two cards running SLI or Xfire, you will not get double the FPS. It is not that efficient. He is saying that does doubling your cards with NVidia cards in SLI scale better (as in, scale your performance better) than Crossfire with AMD/ATI cards. Say you go SLI and get 1.5x the framerate you had from a single card. If you normally got 50 fps average in a game, then you would theoretically averate 75 fps after going crossfire. Then say you upgrade a single ATI card to two, going Crossfire, and you get 1.7 times the framerate. That means if you averaged 50 fps before with the single ATI card, now you average 85 fps when in Crossfire. The Crossfire cards scale better than the SLI cards (in this made-up theoretical example).

I just made up the statistics of 1.5x and 1.7x, I don't know how well they actually scale, and I don't know which scale better. Several years ago I had heard that SLI scaled better. But that was quite some time ago. You could look at Tomshardware graphics charts and see how much a single 5850 gets, then see how much crossfired 5850s get. Then do the same with a similar-performing Nvidia card, and compare the percentage increase.

Also note that newer cards supposedly scale better. The ATI 6xxx series supposedly scales better than the 5xxx series, and I assume the same would go for new Nvidia cards.


[EDIT] And to the OP, I would say that no, it is not worth it. At least not right now, maybe down the road when games are actually giving your card a performance hit and it bothers you, and you don't mind dropping $530.

Although the SSD would probably be pretty nice to help boot quicker and make Windows just generally quicker and snappier. If you just HAVE to spend some money, that would probably be it. Although you likely wouldn't notice much performance gains in games, other than quicker load times.

Although I hear that quicker hard drives do help performance in WoW... but I don't play that, so I don't know.
Edited by TriplePlay - 2/11/11 at 10:58pm
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why get two 570s when you can afford to get two 580s...?????
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That is not what he means by scaling.

If you have two cards running SLI or Xfire, you will not get double the FPS. It is not that effecient. He is saying that does doubling your cards with NVidia cards in SLI scale better (as in, scale your performance better) than Crossfire with AMD/ATI cards. Say you go SLI and get 1.5x the framerate you had from a single card. If you normally got 50 fps average in a game, then you would theoretically averate 75 fps after going crossfire. Then say you upgrade a single ATI card to two, going Crossfire, and you get 1.7 times the framerate. That means if you averaged 50 fps before with the single ATI card, now you average 85 fps when in Crossfire. The Crossfire cards scale better than the SLI cards (in this made-up theoretical example).

I just made up the statistics of 1.5x and 1.7x, I don't know how well they actually scale, and I don't know which scale better. Several years ago I had heard that SLI scaled better. But that was quite some time ago. You could look at Tomshardware graphics charts and see how much a single 5850 gets, then see how much crossfired 5850s get. Then do the same with a similar-performing Nvidia card, and compare the percentage increase.

Also note that newer cards supposedly scale better. The ATI 6xxx series supposedly scales better than the 5xxx series, and I assume the same would go for new Nvidia cards.


[EDIT] And to the OP, I would say that no, it is not worth it. At least not right now, maybe down the road when games are actually giving your card a performance hit and it bothers you, and you don't mind dropping $530.

Although the SSD would probably be pretty nice to help boot quicker and make Windows just generally quicker and snappier. If you just HAVE to spend some money, that would probably be it. Although you likely wouldn't notice much performance gains in games, other than quicker load times.

Although I hear that quicker hard drives do help performance in WoW... but I don't play that, so I don't know.
ahhhh understood! Thanks for that ! Now i know something i didnt !
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Go for the SSD. The improvements will be bigger than SLI.
lolwut ?

Get another 580 , they will kick ass ! what do u want an ssd for ? not going to make much of a real world difference at all man .. Not to gaming , u might load a game 2 seconds faster thats about it .

with another 580 , ull be fine to game for the next 2-3 years .. n trust me ur gunna want that other card when all these great titles come out this year !
    
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Please oh please enlighten me as to why SLI GTX570's are a "horrible idea"

Considering if he's looking for a little more performance or a bigger e-peen, then 2x GTX570's will outpace his Single GTX580 easily. Who cares if he's gaming at 1080p?! Maybe he likes benchmarks.

Why sell a better card only to buy two lower performing cards? You're better off buying another of the same card you already have.

2x 580's > 2x 570's.
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lolwut ?

Get another 580 , they will kick ass ! what do u want an ssd for ? not going to make much of a real world difference at all man .. Not to gaming , u might load a game 2 seconds faster thats about it .

with another 580 , ull be fine to game for the next 2-3 years .. n trust me ur gunna want that other card when all these great titles come out this year !
GTX 580 has 1920x1080 gaming handled. With SLI, it might actually produce a worse gameplay experience than with a single card.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/..._card_review/6

SSDs are a great upgrade. Before I got the SSDs I had 3 Raptors and a Velociraptor in a RAID 0...which is not a bad array...but the SSD performance gain over the Raptor array was staggering. You can't go back. Not only do games load faster...everything loads faster, almost instantaneous. The magic doesn't happen because of throughput, it's the access time. A good SSD's access time is maybe something like 90x faster than the access time of a Velociraptor.
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SLI on a GTX 580 is pointless unless you want like 60 FPS minimum in every game.

Personally I see no difference between 30 and 60 FPS. It's bull****, as long as the game doesnt go below 30 then it's smooth as butter.
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