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Hello!

I am quite new to the Forums and wanted to dive into the world of overclocking to see if I could juice another year or so out of my computer.

I read up on the Ultimate Newbie Overclocking Guide: http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html

I got my mobo isolated stable at a FSB of 245 MHz (Sometimes it doesn't start up and I have to push the restart button on my computer, but once it boots it runs forever, did prime95 tests for 6 hours straight, Maybe a PSU problem?) and want to test my memory but I have to say I'm a bit confused by the language.

What are the memory timings and why does turning them down so low isolate the memory from the rest of the component? What does it mean by "Memory FSB" is that just the same as the CPU FSB?

The CPU overclocking also mentions increasing the multiplier, but my mobo only says the multiplier goes up to x11.5 does this mean I would need to buy a new motherboard to increase the multiplier, or is x11.5 the highest multiplier that my processor offers?

Let me give you some specs!

Motherboard: MSI K9A2-F MS-7388 (Latest Bios v1.13)
Processor: AMD Phenom x4 9600 Black Edition (stock: 2.3GHz) Revision DR-B2
CPU HS/Fan: ZEROTherm BTF80 92mm
Memory: OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 (2x2GB Dual Channel) OCZ2P10662G
Graphics: MSI GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit
Hard Drive: Western Digital 250 GB 3 Gb/s SATA
PSU: Apevia 500W PSU (2.5 years old)

Can't wait to hear some suggestions! I know the Phenom 9600 have a TBL bug (I have no idea what this is), and aren't good overclocking, but we shall see.
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Have you manually set your CPU and NB voltage? Make sure you're keeping the NB in line with the CPU.

I'm not sure about the not booting thing, sorry, but timings on the RAM are how long it takes to do things. So lower, or "tighter" timings mean it takes less time to do things. I'm not sure on the technicalities but that's about it

Before you even touch the RAM, make sure the frequency, voltage, and timings are set correctly ie what the sticker says.

Yes, 11.5x is the highest multi your CPU offers, you need an unlocked multiplier like on my Black Edition chip to continue overclocking by multi. FSB is harder to overclock with because it affects the frequency of your memory as well.
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Have you manually set your CPU and NB voltage? Make sure you're keeping the NB in line with the CPU.

I'm not sure about the not booting thing, sorry, but timings on the RAM are how long it takes to do things. So lower, or "tighter" timings mean it takes less time to do things. I'm not sure on the technicalities but that's about it

Before you even touch the RAM, make sure the frequency, voltage, and timings are set correctly ie what the sticker says.

Yes, 11.5x is the highest multi your CPU offers, you need an unlocked multiplier like on my Black Edition chip to continue overclocking by multi. FSB is harder to overclock with because it affects the frequency of your memory as well.
Thanks so much for the info!

I set my NB voltage manually when maxing my mobo FSB to 245, but I have not set my CPU, its auto is around 1.25v and that's what my NB is set to.

So the lower the timings, the faster the ram? That makes sense I guess. The newb's overclocking guide told me to turn up my RAM voltage and make my CPU/Memory ratio 1:1 with my CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS timings to 2-3-3-6.

So I did 3-3-3-6 (because my mobo wouldn't let me do 2 for CAS) and increased my FSB up to my mobo's max of 245 without a problem at 2.40v. I'm just a little curious, doesn't a ratio of 1:1 mean the ram goes slower? Instead of 800MHz it's 200MHz My Ram is supposed to be at 5-5-5-18 with 2.1v stock values.

The thing about the multiplier is that my CPU is a Black Edition I could change the ratio down to x5, but not past x11.5, which is the stock So it's not my mobo limiting the processor?

Thanks for the advise you are already helping this stuff sink in.
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post #4 of 6
Isn't the RAM rated at stock 5-6-6-18?
I had an OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 kit before, did 5-5-5-15-20-1T no problems at stock 2.1V

You might want to add some mosfet cooling for overclocking... it's an MSI board, the VRMs look fairly cheap too just from one look.
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Isn't the RAM rated at stock 5-6-6-18?
I had an OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 kit before, did 5-5-5-15-20-1T no problems at stock 2.1V
I don't know that much about timings But the stock from http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-ddr...annel-eol.html

indicated my timings were 5-5-5-18 stock at 2.1v.

The overclocking guide said I should "isolate my memory's FSB Max" so that I could see how far my RAM will go without my CPU or Mobo holding it back. To do that I would have to make my RAM run faster, which is kind of what I'm confused about. I thought making the CPU/Memory Ratio 1:1 made my RAM perform worse, but the guide says it's better for overclocking. Do lower timings stress the RAM more?

I looked on my Mobo support page and it says it supports my CPU up to 11.5 Ratio, which means I can't overclock it anymore than the stock multiplier D:
Edited by tomtom185 - 2/12/11 at 8:02pm
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Ah, thought you had OCZ Gold. Platinum is usually slightly higher tier.
If you can get to ref clock 266Mhz, you can use x4 multiplier to run 1066Mhz and get CPU overclocking up to around 3Ghz (where most Phenom x4 top out is around 3.2Ghz or so? and that's after a wall where you suddenly require so much more voltage)
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