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Really?

I heard that Microsoft will not allow for 3rd party applications to multitask.

But copy and paste is coming
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone...ng-ie9-mobile/

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Further updates, either with Mango, or after, should bring twitter integration to the People Hub, and 3rd party multi-tasking support.
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i wanted a windows 7 phone, and now i kind of want the motorola atrix. what makes you guys excited about this phone? arent most windows 7 phones the same except for the camera and battery life?
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Oh the days of Windows Mobile. I remembered wanting to pull my hair out. Endless ROMs and tweaks, but the thing still sucked. Could have been the fact that it was an HTC Tilt & Fuze. I'm guessing it's getting better now days?

Not bashing WM7, one users bad experience doesn't account for all.
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arent most windows 7 phones the same except for the camera and battery life?
Arent most upper end smartphones the same except for OS?
 
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Arent most upper end smartphones the same except for OS?
And if so, why use the same old OS as others instead of using the new one that you've been spending millions on?

The Meego UI specifications take the best of Android, iOS, and WebOS and combine them (with a few new ideas) into one UI. Qt is a great platform and could easily be ported to all the other OS's (LGPL is great). There is already a project to port Qt to Android and another to port Dalvik to Meego. This would solve the budding ecosystem problem: simply plug into the massive Android market while building a Qt based library of programs.

For being less than one year old, Meego is impressive (in fact, it is because Nokia scrapped Maemo and started again that Nokia doesn't have an OS ready). Meego is a full blown OS that runs on a phone. It has UI's suitable for phones, tablets, and desktops (touch or mouse). It has the backing of many large corporations (not just one like WP7) and is evolving faster than most platforms.

So why not use that same old hardware with that different OS and reap the benefits of owning the entire chain of the ecosystem instead of becoming "another dell"?

That said, I dislike renders. They seldom do justice to the physical device.
Edited by hajile - 2/11/11 at 7:09pm
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The phone actually looks good! Good job Nokia!
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And if so, why use the same old OS as others instead of using the new one that you've been spending millions on?

The Meego UI specifications take the best of Android, iOS, and WebOS and combine them (with a few new ideas) into one UI. Qt is a great platform and could easily be ported to all the other OS's (LGPL is great). There is already a project to port Qt to Android and another to port Dalvik to Meego. This would solve the budding ecosystem problem: simply plug into the massive Android market while building a Qt based library of programs.

For being less than one year old, Meego is impressive (in fact, it is because Nokia scrapped Maemo and started again that Nokia doesn't have an OS ready). Meego is a full blown OS that runs on a phone. It has UI's suitable for phones, tablets, and desktops (touch or mouse). It has the backing of many large corporations (not just one like WP7) and is evolving faster than most platforms.

So why not use that same old hardware with that different OS and reap the benefits of owning the entire chain of the ecosystem instead of becoming "another dell"?

That said, I dislike renders. They seldom do justice to the physical device.
The reason is it seems like they already abandoned MeeGo. I'm almost at a year of using it and while it's been impressive it's just not getting supports and proper focus. They've basically split it into two versions; at least for the netbook version. 1.0 updated or 1.1 and it's rather confusing why their continuing the 1.0 branch. Two reinstalls and 1.1 will not connect to repos and update anymore. Repos for it are empty.

The only phone I know that it works for is the n900. Don't know much about the phone branch but I can't imagine it's fairing better than the netbook branch. Then again maybe it is since everyone seems to have left netbooks behind.

The version I'm curious about though is the IV (In-vehicle) one.

The other reason is that everyone and their mother knows about windows so it's less scary to the general consumer to go with something they knew about than to take a chance.
     
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The reason is it seems like they already abandoned MeeGo. I'm almost at a year of using it and while it's been impressive it's just not getting supports and proper focus. They've basically split it into two versions; at least for the netbook version. 1.0 updated or 1.1 and it's rather confusing why their continuing the 1.0 branch. Two reinstalls and 1.1 will not connect to repos and update anymore. Repos for it are empty.

The only phone I know that it works for is the n900. Don't know much about the phone branch but I can't imagine it's fairing better than the netbook branch. Then again maybe it is since everyone seems to have left netbooks behind.

The version I'm curious about though is the IV (In-vehicle) one.

The other reason is that everyone and their mother knows about windows so it's less scary to the general consumer to go with something they knew about than to take a chance.
I agree with the current problems with continuity in the netbook distro (it is supposed to disappear in version 1.2 I've heard). A similar discontinuity wouldn't be likely to occur with a Nokia phone because they would have control of OS and hardware and updates.

As to windows being scary, consider the demographics. The European market is very hostile towards windows in general and has been taking large steps towards open source. Further, unlike desktops, people don't expect a windows experience when using a phone and (USA aside) consider the Nokia brand to be just as good if not better than Microsoft. In fact, some articles that I have read say that the stigma around the Microsoft name could actually hinder sales when compared to iOS and Android.

Meego development will still go on according to Intel and has a huge amount of companies aside from Nokia and Intel supporting it, so why would Nokia drop it?

EDIT: I don't forsee high-performance, in-vehicle systems taking off. Their hardware quickly becomes outdated and a tablet functions bette outside of basic functions (I could see using a in-vehicle device for radio, tv, music, car controls, etc, but I couldn't see things such as web browsing being convenient).
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Intel spokeswoman Suzy Ramirez said Friday that the company will have to wait and see what Nokia's partnership with Microsoft means for development of the system, but Intel remains committed to and focused on the platform.

"It's safe to say we're disappointed with their decision," she said. "But we view MeeGo as more than just an operating system for phones."

MeeGo is "already shipping in multiple segments," being used in cars in China, netbooks, a tablet and other products, she said. Ramirez added MeeGo is "seeing a tremendous amount of ecosystem support"--something Intel plans to demonstrate at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona next week along with some additional news around development of the operating system.

In addition, Intel has been in talks with other handset makers interested in using MeeGo, Ramirez said. She added there will be a MeeGo smartphone in the market at some point, though she couldn't provide a timeframe.

Nokia said it expects to launch a MeeGo device in 2011 in line with earlier plans but added that the platform's emphasis will be on "longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices."

Intel doesn't disclose how much it has spent developing MeeGo, but Ramirez said the company has "significantly invested in Linux," the platform on which MeeGo is based. She said Intel has achieved the No. 2 spot in the overall code contribution to Linux.

"We have a significant numbers of Linux luminaries that are working on Linux in general and MeeGo in particular--and we will continue this investment," Ramirez said.

Morgan Stanley analyst Mark Lipacis recommended investors buy Intel shares on any weakness from the Nokia news. He expects Intel to announce its first smartphone based on its Medfield chip at Mobile World Congress, whether it's still with Nokia as previously expected or with another handset maker. WSJ

Edited by hajile - 2/11/11 at 8:19pm
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Nice. Now please give us an additional qwerty slide keypad. Don't care if I pay $600 for it!

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It's a shame Windows Phone 7 is horrible.

I tried it out for 2 weeks, but went back to Android.

No multitasking and a lack of apps is what killed it for me.
What? Do you even know how to use it?

I always multitask in my xperia.
   
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That's a nice looking phone.

Can't wait for specs.
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