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Hello!
I have a problem with my old PC. I'll copy/paste the message I send to 1 fr because I don't have any more nervs to explain it again.

Firstly, I tried putting the HDD with the windows on my new PC and it works perfectly! So, the problem is that when I start the computer it goes till the "Windows Starting" step. On Windows 7 when it goes to "Windows is starting" and the icon of windows it just "blocks". It stops working before the appearing of this screen. I can't explain it good in English, sorry. You know.. When you start a computer with Windows 7 after the BIOS and ****s load it appears a black screen and a text "Starting Windows". Above it, it appears the icon of windows. But it doesn't appear or writes me "Starting Windows". It just becomes black screen and crashes. If you don't turn it off, it will stay like that forever. I firstly tough it's from the Windows, so I installed "Windows Server 2008 R2 64 Bit". It happends almost the same thing. It goes to the "Windows is starting" step but this time it appears a blue screen for maybe 1/10 from the second and the computer restarts by his self. It's not overclocked. I also checked the "IDE settings" because this happend to me a while ago and it was from the IDE Settings. This time it's not. I reset the BIOS settings to default and nothing changed. I tried to underclock the CPU - nothing. I tried to overclock the CPU - nothing. I tried the windows on my new PC and it works just fine. I tried the HDD of my new PC (with it's windows) and still nothing. I tough it may be from the video card and I put the one from the new PC to it and STILL nothing changed. Any ideas?

Sorry for my bad English. I haven't learned it in school. ://
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Originally Posted by kristiannn View Post
Hello!
I have a problem with my old PC. I'll copy/paste the message I send to 1 fr because I don't have any more nervs to explain it again.

Firstly, I tried putting the HDD with the windows on my new PC and it works perfectly! So, the problem is that when I start the computer it goes till the "Windows Starting" step. On Windows 7 when it goes to "Windows is starting" and the icon of windows it just "blocks". It stops working before the appearing of this screen. I can't explain it good in English, sorry. You know.. When you start a computer with Windows 7 after the BIOS and ****s load it appears a black screen and a text "Starting Windows". Above it, it appears the icon of windows. But it doesn't appear or writes me "Starting Windows". It just becomes black screen and crashes. If you don't turn it off, it will stay like that forever. I firstly tough it's from the Windows, so I installed "Windows Server 2008 R2 64 Bit". It happends almost the same thing. It goes to the "Windows is starting" step but this time it appears a blue screen for maybe 1/10 from the second and the computer restarts by his self. It's not overclocked. I also checked the "IDE settings" because this happend to me a while ago and it was from the IDE Settings. This time it's not. I reset the BIOS settings to default and nothing changed. I tried to underclock the CPU - nothing. I tried to overclock the CPU - nothing. I tried the windows on my new PC and it works just fine. I tried the HDD of my new PC (with it's windows) and still nothing. I tough it may be from the video card and I put the one from the new PC to it and STILL nothing changed. Any ideas?

Sorry for my bad English. I haven't learned it in school. ://
try scanning your HDD for faults when you are not in windows. I usually use hirens boot cd. just google it. and use the HDD test program seagate tools. should let you know if it finds any problems like dead sectors or whatever. hope this helps
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try scanning your HDD for faults when you are not in windows. I usually use hirens boot cd. just google it. and use the HDD test program seagate tools. should let you know if it finds any problems like dead sectors or whatever. hope this helps


Umm... I reinstalled the windows on the old PC and it didn't start on the old but it started on the new. I think the HDD isn't the problem?
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test the ram..
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test the ram..
Most likely ram, run memtest 86.
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Could be PSU or CPU, I'd put some effort into testing that PSU. I don't see RAM causing a hard lock like that, especially if it gets through the setup. If it was the RAM I bet you would be seeing files not copy right, boot problems, a bunch of stuff during the setup. The fact that it passes everything and then gets to the most stressful part and fails makes me push towards CPU/PSU/Mobo, or GFX (if you have that).
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you can install windows while having corruptible memory.

to me the problem just screams "ram problem", might be something lost in translation, but it does seem to be the point in the startup process that ram would cause such a thing.

just get hiren's bootcd like recomended before, and choose to run the x86 memtest.
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you can install windows while having corruptible memory.

to me the problem just screams "ram problem", might be something lost in translation, but it does seem to be the point in the startup process that ram would cause such a thing.

just get hiren's bootcd like recomended before, and choose to run the x86 memtest.
It doesn't hurt to check. The thing is, it has the same symptoms every time.

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Originally Posted by kristiannn View Post
Hello!
I have a problem with my old PC. I'll copy/paste the message I send to 1 fr because I don't have any more nervs to explain it again.

Firstly, I tried putting the HDD with the windows on my new PC and it works perfectly! So, the problem is that when I start the computer it goes till the "Windows Starting" step. On Windows 7 when it goes to "Windows is starting" and the icon of windows it just "blocks". It stops working before the appearing of this screen. I can't explain it good in English, sorry. You know.. When you start a computer with Windows 7 after the BIOS and ****s load it appears a black screen and a text "Starting Windows". Above it, it appears the icon of windows. But it doesn't appear or writes me "Starting Windows". It just becomes black screen and crashes. If you don't turn it off, it will stay like that forever. I firstly tough it's from the Windows, so I installed "Windows Server 2008 R2 64 Bit". It happends almost the same thing. It goes to the "Windows is starting" step but this time it appears a blue screen for maybe 1/10 from the second and the computer restarts by his self. It's not overclocked. I also checked the "IDE settings" because this happend to me a while ago and it was from the IDE Settings. This time it's not. I reset the BIOS settings to default and nothing changed. I tried to underclock the CPU - nothing. I tried to overclock the CPU - nothing. I tried the windows on my new PC and it works just fine. I tried the HDD of my new PC (with it's windows) and still nothing. I tough it may be from the video card and I put the one from the new PC to it and STILL nothing changed. Any ideas?

Sorry for my bad English. I haven't learned it in school. ://
Usually RAM is accessed randomly, so when you deal with RAM errors in order to get the same results every time it has to be accessing the same ram every time. This generally doesn't happen, and so you tend to get a multitude of different BSODs giving you different errors. If the user can go through a setup every time until this point, it tells us that the ram can be randomly used in file copy and not produce any "missing" or corrupt data (the probability of a small section of ram being bad). I take that idea and go, well ok so maybe it's BSODing with different errors and we just can't see that. That could be true, as this is probably the time where the ram is used the most. However, the chances of that happening are slim to nill. Especially since windows is extremely well at reporting BSOD codes with ram. That and through the limitless possibilities he should be able to get the kernel to boot enough to get a BSOD one time. Since he doesn't I'm going to push that it can't handle the stress, so it's something that has an instant limit such as PSU dropping power or vdroop causing a cut off for the data. The chances of huge parts of the ram failing in a way that would cause instant failure without causing copy errors during install make a ram scenario even smaller now.

Blah, I could have chopped that up to a more manageable read, but the basic gist can be had in one read.

[edited] going for clarification errors so if you respond and I'm still editing my bad.

[edit] Don't take this as you shouldn't check your RAM. There is ALWAYS the chance that this could be a part of the ram that is accessed every time, such as bios space (the first parts of the RAM). I don't know how windows boots the initial kernel but it could also use a section of chunks that are in the same spot (close to the "begining") every time, as to reserve/secure space. That could cause certain functions not to be called unless during the graphical startup, as that kernel code isn't used during install, which could cause the same problem every time. I'm just saying the probability of that happening is very low to nill, though 99.99% is still a .01% chance.
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/12/11 at 1:53pm
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I just ran the memtest and it didn't detect any problems. And I also tried with another HDD which is from 1 very old PC (Windows XP) and it got the same problem. But I tried with the HDD from my new PC (Windows 7) and this time it didn't just blocked at this point. It started making the logo of win 7. You know... The 4 windows appear from stripes... or what the hell... I'm not good in English so I can't explain it the way it should be done. But I hope you understand me. So the stripes start "making" the logo but it suddenly stops and it restarts the PC. This time without a blue screen or any error. It just restarts it. :/

P.S. I'm sorry for my English. I haven't studied it in school and I haven't taken any lessons. Everything I know is just from the PC. :/ Hope you'll understand me. :/
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I just ran the memtest and it didn't detect any problems. And I also tried with another HDD which is from 1 very old PC (Windows XP) and it got the same problem. But I tried with the HDD from my new PC (Windows 7) and this time it didn't just blocked at this point. It started making the logo of win 7. You know... The 4 windows appear from stripes... or what the hell... I'm not good in English so I can't explain it the way it should be done. But I hope you understand me. So the stripes start "making" the logo but it suddenly stops and it restarts the PC. This time without a blue screen or any error. It just restarts it. :/

P.S. I'm sorry for my English. I haven't studied it in school and I haven't taken any lessons. Everything I know is just from the PC. :/ Hope you'll understand me. :/
lol You really underestimate your english. I've read people that are actually terrible, you however aren't doing bad at all.

As for your problem, I'm going to have to make a guess (since I'm not there) and say you should look at your PSU. If it's not the PSU then things get kinda sketchy, it's going to be a main component and we can't easily eliminate those without a BSOD (or specific error codes of any kind). So that will have to be trial/error.
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