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Better than Canada trying to cap everyones internet up there.

Still waiting on FIOS nationwide, last mile of fiber to the home everywhere.
You will be waiting a very, very long time. I wouldn't hold your breath.

I don't claim to know how to fix our problems with broadband internet penetration, but something needs to be done about the cost, availability, and performance network connections smaller cities/towns. In Paragould, AR (population 24,505) many of my coworkers paid around $50 for 2.5 Mb/s internet. Others that lived in more remote areas were only able to get dial up. At a certain point I understand that it isn't feasible for companies to offer certain packages, but the prices that they were being charged were outrageous.

I just moved to a small town on the edge of Jonesboro with less than 2,000 people and I get 12Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up for $50/mo. It isn't bad, but the price is a bit high IMO.
Edited by binormalkilla - 2/12/11 at 10:14pm
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You will be waiting a very, very long time. I wouldn't hold your breath.

I don't claim to know how to fix our problems with broadband internet penetration, but something needs to be done about the cost, availability, and performance network connections smaller cities/towns. In Paragould, AR (population 24,505) many of my coworkers paid around $50 for 2.5 Mb/s internet. Others that lived in more remote areas were only able to get dial up. At a certain point I understand that it isn't feasible for companies to offer certain packages, but the prices that they were being charged were outrageous.

I just moved to a small town on the edge of Jonesboro with less than 2,000 people and I get 12Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up for $50/mo. It isn't bad, but the price is a bit high IMO.
That's what I think too, prices are too high. Though I can understand part of the problem, too many customers. Around here we pay for 12/mbit but speeds can drop (day traffic) down to 300kbps. That's no where near 12/mbit, but what can you do? 10mbit ~800kbps+? I don't remember what my old SB4200 maxed, but they can only do about 10, maybe 11mbit (due to hardware limits). 300kbps? That's petty, that's 1/3 of what you are paying for around here.

The problem: Too many customers too close together. If they dropped pricing even more it would get worse, we might just see 200kbps or less. This gets worse and worse as time goes on due to the availability of things like video streaming. Netflicks comes to mind, it's eating bandwidth like a starved hog on a dead body. It's just terrible for the infrastructure.

We need a solution, I can't tell you what it is but we need one. Larger network? Lay down more Fiber? The problem with Fiber is money. To lay down 3 miles of fiber your spending about 6mil. That's just on fiber costs, trust me I know cause I've ran fiber before. We ran 500FT for like 20k of fiber? I think it was estimated at about 30K of fiber, and that was just for a small business line INSIDE the business.

http://www.buy.com/prod/10-pack-sc-s...212498888.html

That crap isn't cheap, and they do 2-3mile pulls, extremely long labor. If you scratch, crimp, chop the line you have to do an entire new pull (I'm not joking, go work pulling cable for your local telecom and ask to pull fiber). The company doing the pull has to pay for all of that, so they charge an arm and a leg for mile pulls just because of this.

The solution won't be easy, nor will it be cheap, but it has to come eventually.
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That's what I think too, prices are too high. Though I can understand part of the problem, too many customers. Around here we pay for 12/mbit but speeds can drop (day traffic) down to 300kbps. That's no where near 12/mbit, but what can you do? 10mbit ~800kbps+? I don't remember what my old SB4200 maxed, but they can only do about 10, maybe 11mbit (due to hardware limits). 300kbps? That's petty, that's 1/3 of what you are paying for around here.

The problem: Too many customers too close together. If they dropped pricing even more it would get worse, we might just see 200kbps or less. This gets worse and worse as time goes on due to the availability of things like video streaming. Netflicks comes to mind, it's eating bandwidth like a starved hog on a dead body. It's just terrible for the infrastructure.

We need a solution, I can't tell you what it is but we need one. Larger network? Lay down more Fiber? The problem with Fiber is money. To lay down 3 miles of fiber your spending about 6mil. That's just on fiber costs, trust me I know cause I've ran fiber before. We ran 500FT for like 20k of fiber? I think it was estimated at about 30K of fiber, and that was just for a small business line INSIDE the business.

http://www.buy.com/prod/10-pack-sc-s...212498888.html

That crap isn't cheap, and they do 2-3mile pulls, extremely long labor. If you scratch, crimp, chop the line you have to do an entire new pull (I'm not joking, go work pulling cable for your local telecom and ask to pull fiber). The company doing the pull has to pay for all of that, so they charge an arm and a leg for mile pulls just because of this.

The solution won't be easy, nor will it be cheap, but it has to come eventually.
The lowest I've ever seen my connection hit is ~8-9 Mb/s on a Friday night. Other than that it's a constant 12 Mb/s. When I lived in Jonesboro I had a 10/1 connection that was always that speed (Suddenlink). I'm certainly happy with my service, but it just seems that the US is way behind other developed countries in internet connection speed/price.

Don't even get me started on the outdated cable TV business model. I only subscribe to internet right now. In the past I had a DVR with HBO and Stars, and I paid $125 a month with internet. I realized that I was wasting my money because I only watched Comedy Central, Science, and the History Channel, with a random viewing of the Military Channel thrown in. I also watched original HBO shows like Entourage, etc., but the fact was that I only used %5 or less of the product for which I payed.

Now it's Netflix and Hulu for $8 a month. My wife likes to watch EPSN (yea, LOL), so I checked out ESPN3's website, and they actually block users from viewing content unless you're from a specific list of ISPs. Unbelievable.
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This can be a good idea, but this will have so much blockage from private and special interests, it will never succeed. The second issue is, it will be argued that the gov't censors it like other "non-democratic" countries. Funny thing is, some local governments here already give local free internet. It's odd how the local government can do things, but when the feds do it, they call foul play. Mostly because the politicians are going to loose money that they cornered in local gov't contracts.
     
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Like anything else the government tries to take on, this will be late and way overbudget by the time it is completed (if it happens).
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The lowest I've ever seen my connection hit is ~8-9 Mb/s on a Friday night. Other than that it's a constant 12 Mb/s. When I lived in Jonesboro I had a 10/1 connection that was always that speed (Suddenlink). I'm certainly happy with my service, but it just seems that the US is way behind other developed countries in internet connection speed/price.

Don't even get me started on the outdated cable TV business model. I only subscribe to internet right now. In the past I had a DVR with HBO and Stars, and I paid $125 a month with internet. I realized that I was wasting my money because I only watched Comedy Central, Science, and the History Channel, with a random viewing of the Military Channel thrown in. I also watched original HBO shows like Entourage, etc., but the fact was that I only used %5 or less of the product for which I payed.

Now it's Netflix and Hulu for $8 a month. My wife likes to watch EPSN (yea, LOL), so I checked out ESPN3's website, and they actually block users from viewing content unless you're from a specific list of ISPs. Unbelievable.
Yeah at first I thought it was something on my end, until one night I did speed tests and got things back on track. I then started some downloads to make sure, low and behold I could get constant 2mbit (20mbit is what I was on that time) for hours.
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@ NuclearCrap: Define political comments in an article pertained to a govt decision about spending 1billion on a service which they so desperately wish to regulate, sensor, and control??
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Do you think that all political/policy threads just get banned? I think it is impossible to not bring up politics in this discussion.

I really wish I could think of a sexual based analogy, but I cannot.
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Obviously. That is why I think that instead of just saying "Don't talk politics" in a thread that is political is stupid. Either remove the thread, or let politics be discussed.
Read the article. The author managed to stay away from political comments for the 1k+ words that he wrote. He explained and commented on the technology itself and how it can work without directing the focus to politics. Just because it involves the government does not mean you have to make political comments. However, it is those who do comment on the politics of the government instead of the actual topic at hand that end up getting threads like this locked. This is not about what you think of the government or how you think the government will use a technology. This is about how the technology and/or plan can or cannot work.

I'm not here to debate with you whether or not you can discuss politics. The answer is no and is written in the rules. I'm just telling you how this topic can be discussed without being political, and that's that. If you have any further questions, PM me instead of replying to this in the thread in order to keep this thread on-topic.
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Haha, doomed to fail. Number one reason. There is no incentive for the communications industry to complete this in a timely fashion and no consequences if they dont. It will just be a shark filled feeding frenzy to get as much government subsidies as possible before they are gone, and before they (corp) have to show progress. Example, the current government subsidized fios upgrade. Second, 4G will be obsolete by the time it is completed. If the FCC would grow some non-lobbiest influenced gonads, and be able to enforce time structure and oversight, it might, maybe work. But for now, the FCC is a mere puppet for the ISP/Telecom giants.

Another note: So we will be able to have 98% WIFI coverage, but everything else is falling apart. Bridges collapsing and being condemned, and major gas lines rupturing, exploding and killing people, water mains failing, and a rail system 100 years behind the rest of the world.
Edited by ericld - 2/13/11 at 7:34am
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Source

Um..........
Translation:

Obama wants to spend $20 Billion dollars to give potato and corn fields 4G access.

+$27.8B USD (auction proceeds, after partners' "cut")
- $ 5.0B USD (4G deployment one time expense)
- $ 3.0B USD (WIN fund)
- $10.2B USD (Public safety network)


We really need to spend $10 Billion on a public safety network?

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Let the government own the infrastructure and then let ISPs lease it from the government.
No. They need to get their fingers out of all the pies, not find more to put them in. If you disagree move to North Korea where I'm sure you'll be much happier.
 
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