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i will be piecing this together at a local micro center (kansas city store). i've never built a matx system before and any suggestions for different parts would be appreciated. this is only going to be used for lan parties (gaming only), and it does not need to be the best of the best, or super powerful. my goals with this build are simple: very small, cheap, reliable, and can play my lan games smoothly (games include bc2, sc2, cs, tf2, bf2, ut3, and lfd1 and 2). i will be gaming on a 1920x1080p monitor. i do not plan on overclocking this system.
Edited by psi_guy - 2/14/11 at 3:26pm
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Don't you need a low profile GPU?
 
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Don't you need a low profile GPU?
i honestly have no clue.
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will i need to put a bigger psu in first thing?
Most likely. CPU TDP is 73w, GTS 450 maxes at 90-100w. Seems like the standard PSU that comes with the case is a 220w unit, rather than the 200w listed on Newegg? Either way, even the 220w is anemic for the setup; 15a on the 12v rail probably won't cut it. The Silverstone 450w SFX or this Sparkle unit should work.


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will the stock heat sink for the cpu fit and be adequate for cooling in such a small case?
Should be okay.


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third, will the gts 450 fit ok?
Not the one you've listed. The case only support a single expansion slot (standard size, so no, you don't need a low profile card). You'll need a single slot card, e.g., this or this.


Edit: pfft... you changed all your components while I was posting. Well... the new setup should work fine. Looks like you'll need to get a PSU to go with the case though.
Edited by subtec - 2/12/11 at 1:13pm
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Most likely. CPU TDP is 73w, GTS 450 maxes at 90-100w. Seems like the standard PSU that comes with the case is a 220w unit, rather than the 200w listed on Newegg? Either way, even the 220w is anemic for the setup; 15a on the 12v rail probably won't cut it. The Silverstone 450w SFX or this Sparkle unit should work.




Should be okay.




Not the one you've listed. The case only support a single expansion slot (standard size, so no, you don't need a low profile card). You'll need a single slot card, e.g., this or this.


Edit: pfft... you changed all your components while I was posting. Well... the new setup should work fine. Looks like you'll need to get a PSU to go with the case though.
yeah, sorry about the edit. i thought mitx was what i wanted, but the video card offerings in a case that small are very weak. i need at least something that will support a full-size card. i think i am going to head over to micro center here in a while and get a few items. +rep for the help subtec.
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You need to decide before buying parts whether you want micro ATX or mini ITX.

For mini ITX you can get an H55 chipset ITX board (Gigabyte, ECS and Zotac makes them) and put it in a Silverstone SG05 case. Amazon has the case for $105 with free shipping. It comes with a 300W PSU that is sufficient to power the GTS 450, and the case can fit the card. The case uses a slim optical drive for a notebook, and will need the adapter cable too if you want the optical drive.

I'm guessing psi_guy originally went with a Thermaltake Element Q? Yeah, you don't want to build a gaming rig in one of those.

The Armor A30 is just a gussied up version of the Thermaltake Lanbox. It is okay for a LAN rig, but I actually would rather get a mini tower. The Lanbox/X-Qpack style cube cases look small, but are unwieldy to carry under one arm because of their girth. My choice for micro ATX would be a Cooler Master Elite 341 which Micro Center has for around $40. None of these micro ATX cases include PSUs.

The GTS 450 should be fine for most games, but you may have to turn down settings for BC2.
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You need to decide before buying parts whether you want micro ATX or mini ITX.

For mini ITX you can get an H55 chipset ITX board (Gigabyte, ECS and Zotac makes them) and put it in a Silverstone SG05 case. Amazon has the case for $105 with free shipping. It comes with a 300W PSU that is sufficient to power the GTS 450, and the case can fit the card. The case uses a slim optical drive for a notebook, and will need the adapter cable too if you want the optical drive.

I'm guessing psi_guy originally went with a Thermaltake Element Q? Yeah, you don't want to build a gaming rig in one of those.

The Armor A30 is just a gussied up version of the Thermaltake Lanbox. It is okay for a LAN rig, but I actually would rather get a mini tower. The Lanbox/X-Qpack style cube cases look small, but are unwieldy to carry under one arm because of their girth. My choice for micro ATX would be a Cooler Master Elite 341 which Micro Center has for around $40. None of these micro ATX cases include PSUs.

The GTS 450 should be fine for most games, but you may have to turn down settings for BC2.
thanks for the recommendation about the cm elite 341. i'll get that instead of the armor a30. heck, it's over half the cost! +rep to you.

i've definately decided on m-atx instead of m-itx. i still don't know which cpu i should get for sure. i am torn between the i3-550 dual core and the i5-760 quad. since i will be saving some money on the case now, i might spring for the quad core. my thing is not knowing if i will fully utilize the quad. i can save $70 if the i3 will get the job done. i would appreciate any input on this.

also, a psu recommendation would be appreciated. i was thinking nothing over 500 watts.
Edited by psi_guy - 2/13/11 at 1:19am
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after reading through some reviews of the gts 450, it doesn't look like it will handle bad company 2 at 1920x1080 very well. numerous reviews said the same thing that the gts 450 is ok if you plan on gaming at 1680x1050 or lower. it looks like i will be getting at least a 1gb gtx 460.
Edited by psi_guy - 2/13/11 at 1:20am
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with the help of a local ocn'er, i finally decided on the following setup:

-cooler master elite 341 matx case ($32.99)
-athlon II x4 640 + asus m4a78lt-m le socket am3 amd 780l matx cpu/mobo bundle ($105.98)
-micro center 4gb ddr3-1333 cl9 2x2gb memory ($39.99)
-western digital caviar blue 500gb 7200rpm recertified hd ($34.99)
-corsair builder series cmpsu-500cx 500 watt psu ($56.99)
-msi n560gtx-ti twin frozr 1024mb gddr5 gpu ($259.99)

grand total: $530.93 + tax

what i like about this parts list is that there are no rebates. i also will not be needing a disc drive since i can borrow the one from my home desktop. i like that i can upgrade the cpu and ram if i want without having to change mobo's. i am open to other suggestions, but i am pretty sure this is the final build. i'll post some pics when i get it done.
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-cooler master elite 341 matx case ($32.99)
-athlon II x4 640 + asus m4a78lt-m le socket am3 amd 780l matx cpu/mobo bundle ($105.98)
-micro center 4gb ddr3-1333 cl9 2x2gb memory ($39.99)
-western digital caviar blue 500gb 7200rpm recertified hd ($34.99)
-corsair builder series cmpsu-500cx 500 watt psu ($56.99)
-msi n560gtx-ti twin frozr 1024mb gddr5 gpu ($259.99)
Good choices for the most part. Most people would not want a recertified HDD but since it is strictly for games, will probably be okay. Just keep backups of your game profiles.

That graphics card should not disappoint.

Review comparing Athlon II X4 640 versus Core i3 530

Note that the Core i3 was a touch faster in games even though it was a slightly lower MHz and merely a dual core compared to the Athlon II. The Core i3 550 would be even faster, plus Core i3 chips will probably hit higher overclocks and use less power. Their TDP is 73W versus 95W of the Athlon II, plus some of that 73W is the graphics core which will remain unused.

On the flip side, no denying that the Micro Center bundle is very inexpensive. Here are a couple suggestions:

Consider the Asus M4N68T-M V2 instead of the M4A78LT-M LE. The reasons are that it supports core unlocking and 125W CPUs. The M4A78LT-M LE only supports 95W CPUs, meaning the CPU VRMs aren't as robust. It also costs $10 less.

Now, core unlocking doesn't do anything with your Athlon II choice, but for $4 more you can get a Phenom II X2 560 Black Edition. Black Edition means multiplier unlocked, plus it is a dual core that can be unlocked up to 4 cores. Note that this is luck of the draw - some have had great success while others have not. Even if it doesn't unlock, it has 6MB L3 cache plus 300MHz higher than the Athlon II. Additionally as a dual core it has a TDP of 80W (note this goes up when you unlock cores).
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