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post #31 of 78
Against my better judgement, I will continue this conversation.

Although, you are the expert, and anything I might say irrelevant is it not?

I was not asking for your approval of something I did 23 years ago. The enclosures were properly sized for the drivers and system frequency.

Whether you believe me or not, I know what I built, I know that I could listen to songs that I had heard a hundred times before, and those speakers would bring out subtle nuances I had not ever heard. At the same time, they could make the entire house shake and chairs "walk" across the hardwood flooring.

But I digress; to address your apparent concern about my perceived lack of awareness regarding the shortcomings of the Z-5500s, I never said they were for anything other than gaming, and that is all.

You may decry Logitech all you want, I see no issues with the product in the context of its intended use.

I can agree to disagree, but it appears you cannot.

Therefore, I leave you to tell everyone what you believe to be the truth. It is up to them to accept it or not.
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I have the Edifier R1200, although they don't have a subwoofer, they still sound amazing for the price.
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post #33 of 78
You know what....you guys enjoy your Logicrap. I'm done. Unsubbing this thread. Don't anybody ask me for home or PC related audio advise again then, if you can't take criticism on a crappy product.
Edited by pioneerisloud - 2/12/11 at 9:52pm
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post #34 of 78
I'm looking for a better solution. I really only want 2 speakers (my office is in an environment that is not subwoofer friendly) and was considering something like these:

http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-5


Review :
http://www.hemagazine.com/Audioengine_P4_A5_Review



I'm really looking for something powered as opposed to passive as I am trying to simplify my office and don't want the extra clutter of an amp.

Budget: up to say 6 or 7 hundred at most?

Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.

p.s. they need to fit nicely on the corners of this desk (i.e. a floor or wall solution is not really an option with this room's layout):
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Pioneerisloud's informed educated opinion > all.
Remember people, quality of opinion over quantity.
post #36 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post
Pioneerisloud's informed educated opinion > all.
Remember people, quality of opinion over quantity.
^^ Second This

Pioneerisloud has helped me with a lot of sound stuff, he knows what he is talking about and i thank him for that.
post #37 of 78
Having owned a few of the sets mentioned here i will provide my two cents on whats been said.

I have owned:
Z-5500
Z-2300
M-Audio AV-40's
Swan M-10's
Altec Lansing VS4121

In my PERSONAL experience i have found that the Z-5500 is best at reproducing movie audio solely because of its surround sound quality's. The M-Audio Av-40's are fantastic at reproducing low bass audio and the swan M-10's are the best all around set i have owned yet.

Go and listen to these sets if you can, make your judgement yourself. Although the advice provided in this thread will generally point you in the right direction, in the end you are only pleasing yourself , and only you truly know what you like.
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What about the Harmon Kardon soundsticks 3? Are they better then the klipsch Promedia 2.1?
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post #39 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidsplit View Post
Having owned a few of the sets mentioned here i will provide my two cents on whats been said.

I have owned:
Z-5500
Z-2300
M-Audio AV-40's
Swan M-10's
Altec Lansing VS4121

In my PERSONAL experience i have found that the Z-5500 is best at reproducing movie audio solely because of its surround sound quality's. The M-Audio Av-40's are fantastic at reproducing low bass audio and the swan M-10's are the best all around set i have owned yet.

Go and listen to these sets if you can, make your judgement yourself. Although the advice provided in this thread will generally point you in the right direction, in the end you are only pleasing yourself , and only you truly know what you like.
(Sorry for skipping posts, this is the only one I wanted to comment on)

I can agree, but disagree with this post. The z5500's have surround sound, which is very nice in movies. That much is true. But the fact that you hear male voice actors coming out of the subwoofer, it's really nowhere NEAR close to being accurate for movies either. THX specifications state you need at most an 80Hz crossover point between the speakers and subwoofer. The z5500's subwoofer reaches up to 250Hz. The satellites start dropping off around 500Hz. That's a 250Hz gap of audio information that you're completely missing out on.

Plus the power ratings are COMPLETELY inflated. There is no way in hell that "subwoofer" is 150w RMS, and clean. As much as I hate the lower end Polk Audio subwoofers, I'd suggest a PSW10 over the Logitech anyday.

I do agree on the surround sound point however. Surround sound is a very nice addition for movies. But I'd rather the sound be accurate. Quality over quantity of speakers anyday.

And to be perfectly honest about Logitech, their drivers themselves aren't HORRIBLE. They're actually considerably better than MOST "PC speakers" out there (with the exception of the ProMedia's). The problem lies COMPLETELY with their amplifier and crossover, and their lack of a mid bass driver.

If they offered that same exact setup, with say a 5.25" mid bass driver in each satellite, proper crossovers (even adjustable perhaps???), and a proper efficient amplifier....then I would be all over these speakers. Even if they were a few hundred more dollars. The drivers themselves are not bad, they're just missing a mid bass, crossovers, and a decent amplifier on them is all.
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I would also like to point out, that my views on "Logicrap" are purely based off my own experience with them. If you do not like my views on them, that's fine. We can agree to disagree then.

Buy your audio based off your budget, and YOUR ears. If you're happy with a z2300 / z5500...then by all means, have at it. I'm just here to tell you, that there is 1000x better equipment out there. And that you can USUALLY find better for the same price, or not much more.

@Arctucas:
I think we can safely say that we can agree to disagree. If you truly did have those amazing monster speakers from 1987, then you clearly know what good audio sounds like. I just can't understand how you are missing the OBVIOUS short comings of the z5500, if you've heard such great speakers before.

I won't deny this much, the z5500 set has the potential to be GREAT. But Logitech had just a few too many short comings to make them even a good set worth considering in my opinion.
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