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I am not too biased either way nvidia/ati so that doesnt effect my choice
Edited by Wickmyster - 2/12/11 at 8:30pm
    
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Ok dude...nVidia has more stable drivers for their card..well from experience anyways. Their nV control panel is so user friendly as you can set the video settings for each application with ease.

PhysX is only available for the nVidia cards, but you can have PhysX with an ATI card but you will have to do more work in terms of setting up the cards to work properly. Nvidia has PhysX right out of the box. Basically PhysX creates a more visually appealing gaming environment...particles, cloth movements...things like that. Here's a comparison with PhysX and no PhysX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luSAnouAFJs
To me this is a no brainier. I've used both nVidia and ATI and I have to say nVidia just seems to have a better quality product.
have you used an ATi/AMD product recently?

i own a 4670, a X1600PRO, a 5830, a GTS250, and two GTX275s.
i used to own two 8600GTS, two 8800GTs, two 4890s, and a 4870.

in my opinion, i prefer AMD over nvidia. their drivers has GREATLY improved over the years and as of now, CF scaling with 6xxx series is superior to SLi.

there are only a few GOOD physX games out there. Darkest of Days was a sin against god, and all the other games just blowed.
only batman and Mirrors Edge were good.

keep in mind that nvidia cards use more power too. my 275 used more juice than my 4890! yes, a friggin 4890!!! every1 knows how much power those ate.

i prefer nvidia's CP over AMD's CCC. in the CP you can control settings for each game but in CCC you can only do global settings. BUT CCC gives you OCing and fan ctrl right in the drivers. no voltage ctrl but thats what Afterburner and TriXX are for.

also, AMD cards are much better at higher resolutions than nvidia cards and you can support 3 monitors off 1 card! nvidia still needs 2 cards for 3 monitors.
eyefinity is only for 5xxx series up tho.

for each generation this is better
ATi X1xxx>Nv 7xxx
nV 8xxx> ATi HD2xxx
nV 9xxx> ATi HD3xxx
nV 2xx> ATi HD4xxx
ATi HD5xxx> nV 4xx
and right now, i cant really say who is better.

but i'd still choose HD6xxx tho. if nvidia dropped some prices on that 570, id be all over that
then again, i can buy a 6950 and unlock it to 6970 and with a little OCing i could beat a 570...
    
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Hmm this is making my choice harder, I am leaning towards the 6850 though i Have found a potentially cheap 460 (via auction) is this a quality card? "Palit GTX460 Sonic 1GB PCI-E Video Card" and i do like Nvidia user interface as I have only ever used Nvidia starting with 8600gs on my socket a 2800+ barton and now my 9600gt.
    
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I smell fanboyism all over this thread.

To answer your question; yes, the Palit 460 is a nice one, if you can get it cheap I'd say go for it.
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The 460 1GB is a great card. The only potential downside of the Palit card is that they sometimes don't bother using cooling on the power circuits. This is only a problem if you want to really push the clocks.
I'm an Nvidia fan, mainly because they just plain work. ATi's drivers are much better on win7, but still a bit problematic sometimes.

Edit: If you plan on seriously overclocking the Palit card, then go out and get a new cooler for it before you really push it, make sure the kit includes extra mini-heatsinks to put on memory chips and mosfets. Otherwise, they're great, I have one, it's been bulletproof so far.
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post #16 of 28
They perform neck on neck. Pick your poison.

Take length, noise, brand, and power usage in your choice.
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Originally Posted by allikat View Post
The 460 1GB is a great card. The only potential downside of the Palit card is that they sometimes don't bother using cooling on the power circuits. This is only a problem if you want to really push the clocks.
I'm an Nvidia fan, mainly because they just plain work. ATi's drivers are much better on win7, but still a bit problematic sometimes.

Edit: If you plan on seriously overclocking the Palit card, then go out and get a new cooler for it before you really push it, make sure the kit includes extra mini-heatsinks to put on memory chips and mosfets. Otherwise, they're great, I have one, it's been bulletproof so far.
The Palit 460 Sonic is already highly overclocked, so I'd say this is false.


http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...latinum/17.htm

Cooling seems fine.
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I'd get the Radeon HD 6850. It's cooler, quieter, uses less power, and delivers the same performance. Both over-clock great, too (though the GTX 460 is a bit better in this regard).
    
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Hmm this is making my choice harder, I am leaning towards the 6850 though i Have found a potentially cheap 460 (via auction) is this a quality card? "Palit GTX460 Sonic 1GB PCI-E Video Card" and i do like Nvidia user interface as I have only ever used Nvidia starting with 8600gs on my socket a 2800+ barton and now my 9600gt.
I have the very same card. It is otherwise a nice card but the fan on it is very loud. I really suggest getting another one, if you are looking for a quiet pc.

Though, the fan is silent when idle but when fully utilized you can hear that it's there.

I don't game too much, only Counter-Strike, Minecraft and GTAIV. It runes the first 2 flawlessly but then again, the yare pretty cpu dependant. GTAIV runs otherwise but it has these random lags every 5 or so seconds. I'm playing it on medium settings.

I have i5 2500k @ 4,8GHz, 2x2gb 1333mhz G.Skill 7-7-7-20 1t memory and Samsung F3 1tb HDD.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefy View Post
The Palit 460 Sonic is already highly overclocked, so I'd say this is false.


http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...latinum/17.htm

Cooling seems fine.
That is Sonic Platinium, the one Wickymyster is referring to is the original Sonic which comes at 700/1400/1800.

Now onto the main subject; what games do you play? and at which resolution? The GTX 460 can handle everything other than GTAIV that I have experienced.

Also, the ATI-drivers aren't bad. Well I have never had any problems with them but then again the only ATI-card I have had was the integrated HD4290 on my GA-890GPA-UD3H. With nvidia I have occasional crashes but it could be due to my overclocking, which it most likely is.

I don't have any experience with the HD6850 other than it seems like a nice card, I was going to get one as well but then I saw the discount of this GTX 460 for 170 euros so I bought it instead because I needed a GPU as I didn't have one before because I was using an integrated one.

Look through some benchmarks and see which has the better Average FPS on games, don't look at benchmark scores as they don't tell much about real world performance.

Good luck with your hunt with the GPU!
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post #20 of 28
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ATM I am playing

Far Cry2
Just cause 2 which has PhysX and was why I was looking at the 460
Bad company 2
fuel
Grid
Dirt 2

all at 1440x900 (low i know, but that is all my monitor does)

I am hopefully getting a 460gtx as I referred to before for half the new price and it is only 6 months old so id still under warranty. If I have to pay full price, I think I am going for the 6850 due to being quiet and less power hungry.
    
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