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Originally Posted by Evtron;12384899 
Well you referenced that both Kepler and 7000 series (Southern Islands) would be coming out in 3-4 months. That would put in the April/May release. There is absolutely NO WAY that any 28NM offerings will be out that early with what is going on with TSMC & Global Foundries. They would be lucky to get production 28nm chips out by quarter 4 of this year, but absolutely NOT by April or May.

Just going by what I say from my sources...but honestly we don't know what Kepler is going to bring, Fermi was a whole new architecture and it tanked.

However if it is all the hype and a game-changer, then I will gladly buy a pair.
I might have exaggerated the subject meaning that Kepler most probably won´t be released in April or May ...but July - August seems reasonable to me despite any funding problems.
We are talking about a whole new step in Graphics Card Architecture.
28 nm is a whole new level and bound to bring innovations to the scene you do not have to speculate or assume that fact.

Like I have said before...the Dual Card Solution is just a measure to facilitate the disposal of the residualing 580 chips wrapped in some advertisement and PR.
There is just no logical reason in participating this marketing fraud by buying this card for a price that is in my oppinion unjustified.

Nvidia has got a variety of analysts and researchers specialized to log and study the common consumers behavior through threads like this to determine how to establish their product strategy.

What I am trying to say is that you should be able to look past the media,all the hype and advertising etc....and once you have done that what remains?Something that has already been there for a certain period of time wrapped up with a new name and some PR with a crazy price tag.
Just to fill the gap until the new series begins.
Be aware:)
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post #62 of 148
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12383351 
An assumption is based on out of focus and yet to be confirmed statements.
Everything I said had either already been approved upon by the corresponding company or was just logical fact.

Of course we still don´t have enough information about either GTX 590 or Kepler to have a serious debate but it has already been stated multiple times buy Nvidia that Kepler will have a much more efficient power consumption/performance ratio level than the Fermi chip and that it will certatinly outperform the aforementioned to the double or even triple.
If you had watched the Nvidia Roadmap or educated yourself about that matter in the net sufficiently you would know:)

it's not a logical fact, it's a logical assumption. facts are just facts whether logic is involved or not. a person may not understand how it is, but 1+1=2 always. that's a fact. what you are saying isn't. lol

nvidia is suppose to say stuff like that. I have seen the nvidia roadmap and i've been around long enough to know that that roadmap is a PROJECTION and not an actual fact of what is to come at a set specific time. kepler doesn't have a specific date cause there isn't one and it's definitely not 3-4 months away like you said. they are estimating, like you, that it will be that much and around that period due to current processes and a roadblock free continuation of said processes. if they were certain then there would be specific percentages to back up their claim and make facts about it. you've apparently not been around long enough to know that this has gone on with both amd and nvidia for years and years. even back when amd was the king of gpu their projections were to an extend, wishful thinking.

also it's post like this......
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Can´t you read?I just said I did not need proof because Kepler will be released this year ...and that this was a fact which had already been confirmed by Nvidia you dimwitted bafoon.
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If you had watched the Nvidia Roadmap or educated yourself about that matter in the net sufficiently you would know

that are making it very easy to let me see how old you are. :smh:
Edited by soilentblue - 2/14/11 at 1:26pm
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post #63 of 148
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I do not know why you conclude that and how any of this collaborates with my age but I advise you to read my previous posts again because it seems to me that you do not fully comprehend their main essence.

I am pleased to asure you that I am well aware the definiton of a fact and that I have been around the scene quite some time;).

I merely reflected facts(verbally and logically retraceable statements) that have been confirmed by the company that spread them but since you failed to see that I will do it again.

Fact 1.)Nvidia has stated multiple times that Kepler the new 28 nm chip will have a considerably improved performance/power consumption ratio level.
Fact 2.)It has also been said countless times that the chip will be released in Quartal 3 or 4 which indicates that 4 months is plausible.
Fact 3.)Nvidia has also stated that the chip will certainly outperform Fermi ...and that its additional performance gain will result in at least the double or triple of the current Fermi performance level.

Fact 4.)
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12385191 

Like I have said before...the Dual Card Solution is just a measure to facilitate the disposal of the residualing 580 chips wrapped in some advertisement and PR.
There is just no logical reason in participating this marketing fraud by buying this card for a price that is in my oppinion unjustified.

Nvidia has got a variety of analysts and researchers specialized to log and study the common consumers behavior through threads like this to determine how to establish their product strategy.

What I am trying to say is that you should be able to look past the media,all the hype and advertising etc....and once you have done that what remains?Something that has already been there for a certain period of time wrapped up with a new name and some PR with a crazy price tag.
Just to fill the gap until the new series begins.
Be aware:)


As in terms of your little explaination:)
2+2=4 that is correct ...question is who validates and proves this fact to be correct? Hopefully your brain^^ (admin don´t PM me that is not meant as an insultxD)

Just like the facts I have listed above have been validated ,confirmed and aproved upon countless times by Nvidia (Except Fact 4 that is my personal fact^^)...so if you have already compiled all the data and knowledge we have been supplied with so far why do you make such blunt and poorly thought through statements?

I am sorry but I am afraid you failed to fully understand what I tried to explain.
Nonetheless I grant you the chance to edit your previous post and try again;)
Edited by Kung Pow - 2/14/11 at 2:32pm
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english definitely must not be your first language. we will see when kepler comes out i'm sure. lol
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It is not my first languge no:)
Yet I still seem to master it a little better than you;)

Regarding your last comment....yes we will see but I can already predict what is going to happen then...want to know what?


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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12387505 
It is not my first languge no:)
Yet I still seem to master it a little better than you;)

Regarding your last comment....yes we will see but I can already predict what is going to happen then...want to know what?


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The 3x performance gains from Fermi is supposedly going to be the Maxwell architecture. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the GTX680 is literally going to be 3 times faster than the GTX580. That means that all games will be seeing 3x as much FPS as the current 580? This is where common sense is just lacking.

The July time-frame you are hoping for in regards to the release of the new cards is just simply not going to happen. 28nm isn't even going to be ready by then from TSMC or Global Foundries, especially since they are having issues with the problematic yields.

I have been upgrading (regardless of brand) my video cards every time there is a new offering since I had my ATI 9800PRO because, while it's not economically feasible, it happens to be a passion of mine - and I will tell you that production timelines NEVER pan out and they are set in place mostly for investors and marketing without ever taking any production problems or fallacies into account.
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Originally Posted by Evtron;12394055 
I have been upgrading (regardless of brand) my video cards every time there is a new offering since I had my ATI 9800PRO because, while it's not economically feasible, it happens to be a passion of mine

What do you do with your old cards? Don't you feel guilty about spending that much money?
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The 3x performance gains from Fermi is supposedly going to be the Maxwell architecture. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the GTX680 is literally going to be 3 times faster than the GTX580. That means that all games will be seeing 3x as much FPS as the current 580? This is where common sense is just lacking.

The July time-frame you are hoping for in regards to the release of the new cards is just simply not going to happen. 28nm isn't even going to be ready by then from TSMC or Global Foundries, especially since they are having issues with the problematic yields.

I have been upgrading (regardless of brand) my video cards every time there is a new offering since I had my ATI 9800PRO because, while it's not economically feasible, it happens to be a passion of mine - and I will tell you that production timelines NEVER pan out and they are set in place mostly for investors and marketing without ever taking any production problems or fallacies into account.

1.)I find your statement about the performance gain rather primitive.
You just cannot translate the term "3 times faster " so bluntly..Nvidia stated that Kepler would be 3-4 times more efficient in performance/power consumption ratio ..theoretically that would mean that the 28 nm chip would outperform fermi to at least the double yes but that does by all means not imply double the fps.
Also if you had at least educated yourself with the most basic knowledge about the upcoming GPUs you would know that the roadmap clearly shows a rather higher performance gain for Maxwell than just 3x and again these terms can not be directly translated as far as for your notice at least.

2.)I do not care the least about Global Foundries and TSMC ..Kepler will be released in 3. or 4. Quartal regardless of these marginal aforementioned issues.

3.)Since you have admited to have bought every piece of GPU that has been offered to this point I can clearly determine that you easily fell for the marketing scam I mentioned in my earlier post ...poeple like you are the trageted group...shallow consumers who buy without consideration and that is a very dangerous characterstic.
But lucky for Nvidia because of those people the GTX 590 will sell:)
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In not even 3-4 months Nvidia Kepler and AMD 7000 series of cards will hit the market for persumeably the same price if not less ,twice or even triple the performance

You've said 3 times that you think that Kepler will out perform Fermi by double or triple.

Based on your quote you think that Kepler will come out in May-June "or even less" time, that's a bewildering statement.

I find it quite a bit naive that you take ANY companies road-map as gospel and the ultimate truth. If that is the case then you obviously have quite a bit to learn and are very new at this. Fermi's road-map was off by 6-8 months in which Nvidia was only offering GTX200 series against ATI's 5000 series for 4-5 months. Road-Maps are to be taken very loosely and are often used solely for marketing & investors. However, based on your several responses that you FIRMLY believe that Kepler is coming out in "3-4 months" because Nvidia has a road-map is just plain moronic. Just so you know there is a HUGE difference between a road-map and a release date, and Nvidia certainly has not set a RELEASE DATE at all.

Also, how can you even justify any of your responses by saying you're not interested in Global Foundries or TSMC - where do you think that Nvidia is getting their chips? TSMC would be the answer. If they are having problems with their 28nm chips then Nvidia or ATI will simply not be able to offer any new cards. In fact, ATI had planned 28nm for their 6000 series but TSMC was not ready yet so they had to release their current 6000 with the same 40nm chips that were in the 5000 series. All they did was tune them and rework the shaders. So this is recent proof that yes, these two foundries certainly have an effect on release date/performance because it literally just happened to ATI.

Regarding my purchasing of new video cards when new series comes out, I don't find that dumb at all. Firstly, I have the budget to do so and does not effect my standard of living at all. Secondly, I usually sell off my current gen cards a month or so before release, and use the money I received to subsidize the cost of my new hardware by 50%-60%; so my out of pocket expenses are really not that great. I do it because I love to benchmark and run eyefinity - it's a hobby, not a necessity.
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You've said 3 times that you think that Kepler will out perform Fermi by double or triple.

Based on your quote you think that Kepler will come out in May-June "or even less" time, that's a bewildering statement.

I find it quite a bit naive that you take ANY companies road-map as gospel and the ultimate truth. If that is the case then you obviously have quite a bit to learn and are very new at this. Fermi's road-map was off by 6-8 months in which Nvidia was only offering GTX200 series against ATI's 5000 series for 4-5 months. Road-Maps are to be taken very loosely and are often used solely for marketing & investors. However, based on your several responses that you FIRMLY believe that Kepler is coming out in "3-4 months" because Nvidia has a road-map is just plain moronic. Just so you know there is a HUGE difference between a road-map and a release date, and Nvidia certainly has not set a RELEASE DATE at all.

Also, how can you even justify any of your responses by saying you're not interested in Global Foundries or TSMC - where do you think that Nvidia is getting their chips? TSMC would be the answer. If they are having problems with their 28nm chips then Nvidia or ATI will simply not be able to offer any new cards. In fact, ATI had planned 28nm for their 6000 series but TSMC was not ready yet so they had to release their current 6000 with the same 40nm chips that were in the 5000 series. All they did was tune them and rework the shaders. So this is recent proof that yes, these two foundries certainly have an effect on release date/performance because it literally just happened to ATI.

Regarding my purchasing of new video cards when new series comes out, I don't find that dumb at all. Firstly, I have the budget to do so and does not effect my standard of living at all. Secondly, I usually sell off my current gen cards a month or so before release, and use the money I received to subsidize the cost of my new hardware by 50%-60%; so my out of pocket expenses are really not that great. I do it because I love to benchmark and run eyefinity - it's a hobby, not a necessity.



I would like you to note that the multiple times I have mentioned that Kepler will outperform fermi by at least double the performance I had assumed you to have the experience and the ability to comprehend that such a statement could just not possibly be conseived in such an obtuse manner you appear to have misinterpreted it .

Secondly the purpose of a road map is to give people a guide line in order to supply them with an idea not a firm date of the actual release of the product I am well aware of that fact.What you obviously failed to learn is that this years roadmap exhibition was inspired by new funding and production options Nvidia has been proposed and I strongly doubt that the CEO would dare to jeopardize his financially and manufacturly aiding partner companies.


As in terms of your purchasing disorder I will explain to you why this kind of behavior is typcal for the average inexperienced GPU consumer.
Like I have said before Nvidia has a variety of specialized analysts and marketing researchers that precisely study the typical behavior of the average rather shallow minded consumer.They target inexperienced,naive,easily seducable and often ignorant individuals.They anticipate their targeted group not to measure a purchase with logic and necessity.Their marketing strategies and advertisement is particularized and specified to lure the consumer which often shows the exact aforementioned symptoms.
You have to understand that this involves a lot of basic psychology which intelligent people should be resistant to
Your common and often used justifiation of reselling seems absurd to me.
I do class you as an intelligent person based on what I have seen that is why I do not understand why someone like that would fall for such pedantic phsychological strategy.
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